| Author | Message | ||
     Boltrider |
5 minutes? 10 minutes? I'm noticeably more cautious in the cold. The grip just doesn't feel the same. Any opinions? Any links to good moto tire websites? | ||
| Smiley1eye |
Takes me about 1 or 2 miles. I weave back & forth in my lane to speed up the process and to make sure the center isn't the only part of the tire getting some friction. I've had the same thoughts though and have actually gotten off and put my hands on the tires to check the temps (the most scientific methods used here!) Also check air pressures before and after warm up. (which is my main concern) | ||
| Boltrider |
Yeah I've put my hands on the tires, but only after the ride. The pavement is so cold in the morning! | ||
| Etennuly |
When it is below 40F I treat it like they never warm up. Compared to summer riding, they really don't. | ||
| Sslowmo |
It's can take up to three of four laps on the track. when on cold tire's just be real smooth with the controls for the first ten minutes or so. Also, just because you heat the center of the tire, doesn't mean the side's are warm. I let out a pound of pressure from where I normally have them if it's real cold. Here's a thought, if you let out to much air and now you have a bigger contact patch, will the pavement suck out your heat?..... | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Last year we were riding Deal's and a 2-3 minute stop would leave you with really cold tires and not much grip from them. I got a really close view of a Miata from cold tires. Weaving doesn't help on a motorcycle as much as it does on a car. Acceleration and deceleration do more to put heat into the tires. You do have to be careful for cold shear when they are cold though. | ||
| Ochoa0042 |
+1 I treat it like they never warm up in cold weather edit: off topic: when the motogp ride in the rain, they are shooting down with insane lean angles, do their tires ever warm up? ....water naturally cools, so I wouldnt think so (Message edited by ochoa0042 on December 12, 2008) | ||
| Slaughter |
Cold weather is just going to leave you with cold tires. At a RACE PACE, it takes about 5 laps at Willow - about 12 miles - AT an average speed of 100 MPH - and at that, the tires really aren't warm. With the tires a couple pounds lower in pressure, it's still going to just NOT heat up the rubber. Face it, Winter just SUCKS | ||
| Ochoa0042 |
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| Boltrider |
^ Valentino Rossi!! Those dudes are amazing. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
I like the double stacked pucks. | ||
| Buellatp |
I don't ride when the temps drop below 0. | ||
| Jaimec |
Once upon a time, a traveler approached the Hodja standing by the side of the road. He asked the wise man: "Excuse me, how much longer till I reach the next town?" The Hodja just stared at him and smiled. Perplexed, the traveler asked again: "How much longer till I reach the next town?" Again, the Hodja just stood quietly and smiled. Exasperated, the traveler yelled: "Are you deaf, or simple? How much longer till I reach the next town?" When the Hodja didn't change his expression or move, the traveler turned in a huff and stormed up the road. At that point, the Hodja called back: "About 30 minutes, Good Sir!" The traveler stopped, turned around and asked incredulously: "Why didn't you tell me when I first asked you?" The Hodja smiled and said: "I couldn't tell you until I knew how fast you planned to walk!" (Message edited by jaimec on December 13, 2008) | ||
| Xb9er |
rossi is a pro, thats why he can do that! I rode 25 miles on a cool morning in summer and my tires were not warm. How do i know? I laid her down. | ||
| Ourdee |
13 degrees out now. I don't think my tires will warm up till March.  | ||
| Sloppy |
It sounds like the true question is -- "What is my future traction?" Answer: it depends, but you'll know when you don't have enough. Two people with the same traction can enter the same corner at the same speed and one can crash and the other not. Reason? It depends upon how smooth you are. Hint: take Code's class and ride their bike that will let the tire slide without crashing. Then you'll know what it feels like to ride to the traction limit of a tire. | ||
| Skinstains |
As far as I'm concerned, they never warm up in the winter. Every winter I ruin at least one pair of tires by wearing out nothing but the center. I guess you could call them "super chicken strips". I figure if you treat them as cold tires you can only err' on the side of caution. So you didn't go as fast and as low as you could've. That's much better that figuring them for warmer than they actually are and going much lower than you ever want to go. | ||
| Slaughter |
Chicken strips on rubber will ALWAYS trump pavement scratches on paint! | ||
| Firebolt020283 |
its cheaper to replace a set of tires you squared off than it is to replace the parts and hospital bills you could have if you loose traction and bust your butt. | ||
| Htekwo |
This question came up on one of my local boards. What confuses me about motorcycle tires vs Car tires is that most of my cars have tires that are strictly for Summer use (not to used or stored below about 35*s). I have not seen a motorcycle street tire that comes with this warning or suggested use range. Is this not a problem with the rubber compounds used on M/C tires? | ||
| Etennuly |
It really doesn't matter if you would artificially heat the tires, you need the other factor, the pavement, to be warm also if you want to press it. | ||
| Gschuette |
when the motogp ride in the rain, they are shooting down with insane lean angles, do their tires ever warm up? ....water naturally cools, so I wouldnt think so You can hardly compare those to street tires. I'm sure they use a super soft compound that retains heat quite well. One of the magazines had a pic of hayden riding Michelin rain tires in the dry. In some desperate attempt to get to Bridegestone's level of grip. | ||
| Jaimec |
That was at Laguna Seca when Michelin brought a stupid hard compound assuming it would be typical California summer weather. Instead, it was unseasonably cool and all of the Michelin riders were stuck with tires that never got up to proper operating temperature. One of the reasons MotoGP went to the single tire rule for 2009. Too many times in the past two years where Michelin guessed horribly wrong for the track conditions. | ||
| Americanmadexb |
i believe i read somewhere that tires never warm up if its 50 degrees! | ||
| Phwx2 |
Last night a bike went by me on route 9 north in CT at over 100 mph cutting back and forth between the cars. The temperature, according to my car, was 23 degrees. I can't image that the tires weren't warm given the grip they were displaying. There goes my hero! | ||
| Skinstains |
Cutting lanes is a lot different than putting a lean on them in a turn. | ||
| Htekwo |
Well, I don't know if it was the weather (it was around 55 this weekend) but I went down on a very familiar stretch of road. I was well into the ride so the tires were as hot as they were going to get. I wish I knew more about the variables, but the only difference I can confirm was the air temp. I tucked the front in a low speed (about 35mph) right hander. I slid with the Bike for about 30-40 ft. Picked the Bike up and rode it the rest of the trip with cracked mirror, scraped up frame puck, dented header pipe, and missing rear peg. Damn, Buells crash good! All the Gear, All the Time  (Message edited by htekwo on December 15, 2008) | ||
| K3xb |
Rain tires don't depend on heat to make traction. They channel water and are super soft. If the track begins to dry they heat up and fall apart almost immediately. The rubber peels off into balls and it's like riding on BBs. Bad news. | ||
| Mr2shim |
Rain tires don't depend on heat to make traction. They channel water and are super soft. If the track begins to dry they heat up and fall apart almost immediately. The rubber peels off into balls and it's like riding on BBs. Bad news. This is true. | ||
| Jonzin |
Laid my bike down this morning and immediately remembered reading this post. I was turning left out of my townhouse complex and must have gotten on the throttle a little too hard or just as the rear tire was crossing the yellow line..or both and the bike slid out from under me. Luckily both the bike and I stayed in the center of the emergency lane. A broken clutch lever, shifter and a scraped up frame puck was all the damage to the bike and I have a couple of small scrapes. A few people stopped to make sure I was OK and one guy even pulled his truck into the emergency lane with his hazards on while I picked up the bike.....THANK YOU. Let me be another reminder to everyone to take it easy out there and be careful. Also ATGATT.....glad I had everything on. Chance (Message edited by jonzin on December 30, 2008) (Message edited by jonzin on December 31, 2008) |
