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Johntman
Posted on Sunday, December 07, 2008 - 05:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I really don't know how Mustang fans have a leg to stand on.

I do... Cheap!!! It's what killed the camero. A V-6 camero was close to the price of a GT when it was killed off, and the price difference between the Z-28 and the GT could be spent well on mods.
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Audioi
Posted on Sunday, December 07, 2008 - 05:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Well I have one of these
http://www.mikesastra.com/mustang.php
so it looks like I should get a XB12s then
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Moosestang
Posted on Sunday, December 07, 2008 - 09:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Well I have one of these
http://www.mikesastra.com/mustang.php
so it looks like I should get a XB12s then


You got that backwards. You should get the xb9 with the smaller engine. GM owners go for the bigger engine.
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Htekwo
Posted on Sunday, December 07, 2008 - 11:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Moosestang, if you think a Solid Axle is the only way down the 1320, they maybe you haven't seen one of these ; ) This car has since gone in the 7s at 185!



(Message edited by htekwo on December 07, 2008)
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Rpm4x4
Posted on Sunday, December 07, 2008 - 11:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Wow this thread went from welcome aboard to muscle car shootout just like that.
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Ferrisbuellersdayoff
Posted on Sunday, December 07, 2008 - 11:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Seems I'm notorious for initializing thread jackings now....

I'm a bad bad man!
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Boltrider
Posted on Monday, December 08, 2008 - 03:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Moose, I like your Mustang.
Maybe they switched back to the solid axle to save on cost. I don't know.
I REALLY like the Shelby GT 500's.

(Message edited by boltrider on December 08, 2008)
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Moosestang
Posted on Monday, December 08, 2008 - 05:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Moosestang, if you think a Solid Axle is the only way down the 1320, they maybe you haven't seen one of these ; ) This car has since gone in the 7s at 185!


I won't even venture a guess at what suspension work that car has, but if it still has IRS, then it's probably not worth a poo in the corners any more. You can't have your cake and eat it to. Every independent rear suspension I've seen requires some sort of stiffening to reduce wheel hop, then you might as well have a solid axle.

the mustang gt's never had IRS as far as I know. Only the 03-04 cobras did and serious cobra owners switch to a solid rear for drag racing. Even owners of the new gto's switch to a solid axle for drag racing, because it's stronger.

So what suspension setup does that car have?
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Htekwo
Posted on Monday, December 08, 2008 - 11:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

All the Supras run the stock IRS! Stock axels, stock LSD. No mods other than coilovers. Car makes about 1400hp, inline 6cyl!
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Moosestang
Posted on Tuesday, December 09, 2008 - 01:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

All the Supras run the stock IRS! Stock axels, stock LSD. No mods other than coilovers. Car makes about 1400hp, inline 6cyl!


All what supras? All supras don't make 1400 hp. If that car is launching on the stock half shafts, that's saying something about toyotas design, but don't think this is the norm for IRS. In a straight line, solid axle is better.
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Htekwo
Posted on Tuesday, December 09, 2008 - 08:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

You are correct, the Supra is an amazing car and is a testament to Toyota engineering. I hate to thread jack, but I can't resist poking at the Domestics when it comes to a true street/strip challenge ; ) IRS would normally not be the choice for a Drag setup, but the Supra is an anomaly.
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Gschuette
Posted on Tuesday, December 09, 2008 - 09:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

In a straight line, solid axle is better.

Which shows my point. What percentage of Mustangs that roll off the line are used ONLY at the drag strip?

For the vast majority of owners IRS is the superior setup. Then again I don't expect the Mustang buyer to care seeing as they bought a brand new car with the same power as a 10 year old General Motors competitor.
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Htekwo
Posted on Wednesday, December 10, 2008 - 03:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

OK, one more vid if you can stand it. The six Spd is the stock gearbox with Tilton Clutch. This is Boostlogics' 'Street' car, full weight, full interior.

<------Ducks for cover

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-F7J6O5tnnk&NR=1
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Moosestang
Posted on Wednesday, December 10, 2008 - 04:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Where can I buy a new supra?

Ducks for cover.........If they did produce a new one, I couldn't afford it anyway, so it matter not.
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Moosestang
Posted on Wednesday, December 10, 2008 - 05:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Which shows my point. What percentage of Mustangs that roll off the line are used ONLY at the drag strip?

For the vast majority of owners IRS is the superior setup. Then again I don't expect the Mustang buyer to care seeing as they bought a brand new car with the same power as a 10 year old General Motors competitor.


I'll tell you what. You find me a new car that produces over 500hp, has IRS, is reliable and won't cost me more than $32,000 and I'll will trade my slow mustang in on it. When you find me that, then we'll talk, until then STFUYMFDB!
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Oxygen151
Posted on Wednesday, December 10, 2008 - 05:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Then again I don't expect the Mustang buyer to care seeing as they bought a brand new car with the same power as a 10 year old General Motors competitor.

Horsepower is not everything, gearing a torque play an even bigger role. Why is it that mustangs are competitive in 1/4 mile and 0 to 60 times to Chevy and so forth? Why can the new F-150 with 310 hp pull my than the new Dodge with 395 hp? This isnt just a numbers game.
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Gschuette
Posted on Wednesday, December 10, 2008 - 11:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

That is ridiculous. I never said anything about 500 being a magic hp number. My point centered on having driven an old Z28 Camaro and a WS6 Firebird as well as a new style Mustang GT. I don't think there is ten years of progress in the Mustang. Stop the name calling because my point centers quantifiable numbers and the fact that a decade of development passed between the two cars. It is just my opinion that FOrd has some work left with the platform. I'm glad you are happy with your car. Similiar to me being happy with the Buell despite it being down on power to 1000cc bikes. I am not going to tell people it is the equal or better performing bike though.
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