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Brucelee
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 09, 2003 - 05:16 pm: | 
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Dyna
Actually you bash Buells on several forums which is where I run into your trite commentaries. Normally I let it go, as you are incapable of acknowledging any point of view but yours (which you just proved by your last series of posts!). Sometimes I fire a salvo your way just to see if you have learned anything in the interim. (Alas!)
But you DID say that Buells were fine bikes so there MAY be hope for you yet?
Merry Christmas! May Santa bring you a brain for Christmas!
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Paulinoz
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 09, 2003 - 05:20 pm: |
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"Can a Gsxr 1000 kick a XB12s ass? In many ways yes but not in every way that could be imagined."
Had 02 GSXR1000 sold it to buy XB12R, was the Gixer a great bike hell yes do I regret the change over hell no. Have enjoyed riding the XB12 for the last month more than the Gixer in the last year, and it keeps getting better.
But that is only true for me and the type of riding I do.
Anthony if you do it let me know have been thinking of the same thing on the road I dont need 140 mph but the increase in accelaeration would be very nice to have.
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Dynarider
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 09, 2003 - 06:27 pm: |
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See what I am talking about folks? And Bruceee, exactly what forums am I bashing Buells on? Sure as hell not atc nor sporttwin. Havent posted on the borg in a month.
And incapable of acknowledging any other point of view? What view would that be? The incorrect one which stated a Buell made more torque than a GSXR1000? I made absolutely not 1 mention of any possible shortcomings the XB may have, yet you persist in this bs trolling. I corrected some misinformation & if you cant handle that.....go screw yourself.
PS. Have a nice day. |
Dynarider
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 09, 2003 - 06:30 pm: |
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PS #2.
I will extend the same offer to you that Blake offered Scot. |
Blake
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 09, 2003 - 06:39 pm: |
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Dyna,
Avoid the troll. Can't believe I am giving that advice to you. |
Brucelee
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 09, 2003 - 09:35 pm: |
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Same old Dyna. Nothing has changed!
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Wyckedflesh
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 09, 2003 - 09:52 pm: |
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I don't know brucee from what I am seeing you are the one trolling. Dyna may have been rough in his wording but he did CORRECT some posted wrongs. He did stand behind his corrections. Diddn't see him bashing just stating reality. He fought empirical data not personal opinion. hmmm go figure |
Dynarider
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 10, 2003 - 12:13 am: |
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Thanks Wycked. |
Wyckedflesh
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 10, 2003 - 01:59 am: |
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I am interested in this change as well. I was thinking about the fact it opens up a whole new slew of gearing options for tight tracks like the Streets of Willow configuration. Having the quicker acceleration on a tight track would be way cool. |
Dynarider
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 10, 2003 - 02:21 am: |
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Blake..hard to believe aint it |
Boulderbiker
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 10, 2003 - 08:37 am: |
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As for your persistence in correcting "misinformation" you seem to have missed the forest for the trees in my comment. The XB12R does not make more power than most bikes, does it have more torque than most, yeah by a fair amount in most cases. Where does it lose its benefit then? When you change the primary gearing to account for the fact that many bikes out there can rev a lot higher so they don't have to be geared up as much as the buell to make all that torque useful for speed applications. Agreed it doesn't make "tremendously more torque", but aside from the one dyno comparison you pointed out every other one I've seen showed the Buell to have more. So sure I don't mind the correction, but don't turn the conversation in a whole different direction, when the whole point of my comment was to differentiate between hp and torque and why I'm thinking about doing the change that started this thread. Its called courtesy to not distract from the point. |
Dynarider
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 10, 2003 - 09:49 am: |
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Umm Boulder, I am truly sorry if I have appeared to somehow have stepped on your ego in any way at all. I posted Torque figures from 2 different publications that both show the same evidence regarding the GSXR with more torque.
I really dont know what you are rambling about in your last post. You said this The XB12R does not make more power than most bikes, does it have more torque than most, yeah by a fair amount in most cases.
Nobody said the XB12 made more power & nobody except yourself mentioned the "tremendously more" amount of torque it produced in comparison to the GSXR.
If you gear the bike down so it will possibly have a higher theoretical top speed, your acceleration will suffer & the "tremendous torque" will be negated. You gear up & take advantage of the torque & your top speed will take a nose dive.
Whereas a bike such as the GSXR1000 that you wanted to compare it to, will not need any gear changes at all. It has torque, power & top speed.
I really dont understand why you want to persist in comparing the XB12 to any other bike. Let it stand on its own merits. Is that so difficult? If you own one, will it somehow magically become an even better bike if you can delude yourself in your own mind that you produce "tremendously more torque" than bike A or B?
And differentiate between hp & torque? Where was that mentioned???????????? Perhaps I will have to re-read this topic. Then again, screw it I have better things to do. |
Brucelee
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 10, 2003 - 10:11 am: |
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Well, I am with Dyna on this one. The Buell is as fast as it is fast. I don't know why folks keep comparing to the GSX1000--the XB is not at all a "replacement" for this bike as say a ZX10R would be.
I love my XB for what it is and I don't ride it looking to make it as fast as............
I like the handling and sound and looks. If I wanted a faster bike, a used Hayabusa is under 10 large. How much faster do we need to go.
Thanks Dyna!
Did I say that?
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Dynarider
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 10, 2003 - 11:27 am: |
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OMG!! I think the world just came to a halt!!!
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Brucelee
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 10, 2003 - 11:47 am: |
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Well, you see,last night, I have a visit from four Ghosts, my old business partner, Jacob...............
Merry Christmas Dyna.
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Dynarider
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 10, 2003 - 11:53 am: |
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Merry christmas Tiny Tim. |
Boulderbiker
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 10, 2003 - 11:54 am: |
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Hmmm, you still seemed to have missed the point of my post, it wasn't to make a comparison at all, it was to explain torque vs. HP, and why I want to change the primary ratio to that of the XB9. This explains our misunderstanding, you thought my main point WAS the comparison, which it wasn't at all. No worries. I got the info I wanted, so it doesn't matter. |
Reepicheep
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 10, 2003 - 01:09 pm: |
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Dyna is technically correct, but "peak" figures are nearly useless. You gotta average the area across the whole curve, not just a peak value. I think that is where Dyna and Boulder are missing in the middle.
The contrived example to make this point would be some sort of magic two stroke... from 0-10000 rpm it never gets above 10 foot pounds of torque, but from 10000 to 12000 rpm, it makes 100 foot pounds. It would look great on paper, and be useless on the street.
And I believe the GSXR-1000 is an exception among the inline fours... doesn't it have an unusually long stroke, and thus better torque, then most of the Japan Inc. fours? It's an astounding bike and an astounding engine regardless, too bad it "sounds wrong"  |
Stot
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 10, 2003 - 02:58 pm: |
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The contrived example to make this point would be some sort of magic two stroke... from 0-10000 rpm it never gets above 10 foot pounds of torque, but from 10000 to 12000 rpm, it makes 100 foot pounds. It would look great on paper, and be useless on the street.
Sounds a lot like my old TZR 125 when I jammed open the YPVS valve on it to de-restrict it. Rice puddin below 7000 and Red hot Jalepinos above!
Cya
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Fullpower
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 10, 2003 - 04:01 pm: |
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boulder, regear that 12, then tell us how easy it wheelies. just go ahead and swap primary gear , chain. you will have 11 percent more thrust at ALL rpms. should be a lot of fun for under $200. let us all know if you can do 3rd gear power wheelies. (and dont loop it)
.... have fun..... dean |
Boulderbiker
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 10, 2003 - 04:49 pm: |
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Well keep in mind that with the altitude up here, I'm just making up for what I lose living in CO. Oh well, I'll get my fun back when I head out to CA this spring. |
Dynarider
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 10, 2003 - 10:24 pm: |
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Reep, I hear what you are saying because my CBR600 was that way. Below 9000 rpms it was almost dead, but once it hit 9K the damn thing took off like it had a saturn rocket booster attached. |
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