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Boulderbiker
Posted on Wednesday, November 05, 2003 - 10:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Well, between cold tires and the torque monster that the 12R is, I got bested and dropped a bike for the first time today. Was pulling onto a street and put a little more juice to the rear tire than it could handle being around freezing then next thing I knew I was doing a very quick un-planned fishtail then a very mild "high side". Anyway, good news is that I finally got my first crash out of the way, and that it didn't do much damage. I'll need new right side pegs front and rear, brake lever, turn signal. All in all not too bad. Anyway beware very cold tires and very torquey bikes.
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Glitch
Posted on Wednesday, November 05, 2003 - 10:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Glad to hear you and the 12 are ok for the most part. If I'm not mistaken the parts you need aren't that expencive.

Once when I was up at the Gap. It was foggy and cool. I was leaving the CROT, I noticed there were a few Harleys looking over my way. So I decided to leave out loudly showing them how quick an I4 was (had the Bandit back then). I jumped on it, gave it the twist, and off we went in two seperate directions. Harleys guys didn't laugh at me or anything (maybe after I left they did), but rather ran over and helped me and the bike back up. I was so embaressed.
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Boulderbiker
Posted on Wednesday, November 05, 2003 - 11:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Any of you dealers out there wanna give me a quote for the aforementioned parts with shipping and brag discount included? If of of you has all the parts in stock, I'll probably just order today.
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Captainplanet
Posted on Wednesday, November 05, 2003 - 12:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I had the same thing happen on my 9R last year. Turning onto a street with a little to much throttle. It slipped out sideways pretty good. I just kept on the throttle and it finally hooked up. It was a close call though.
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Hippo888
Posted on Wednesday, November 05, 2003 - 12:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Ouch. I just went >smack< too under nearly the same circumstances. Fortunately, Buell parts are relatively inexpensive. Did the frame get hit?

Paul in MI
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Boulderbiker
Posted on Wednesday, November 05, 2003 - 12:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Nope frame, and all other expensive parts are fine. I wish I could rode this one out, but by the time I went down I had already done a 180. Like I said, around 30 degrees outside and tires that might as well be made of wood. Actually wood might have had better traction now that I think about it.
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Boulderbiker
Posted on Wednesday, November 05, 2003 - 02:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

hey where' are all the sales people today, c'mon Dave, don't ya want to sell me stuff ;o)

On a slightly side note, does anyone make some industrial duty bars that I could put sliders on? It was a very slow speed fall, and my bar bent like it was a tin can.
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Kaudette
Posted on Wednesday, November 05, 2003 - 02:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Same prob here although I didn't drop it - anywhere near freezing and the Dunlops absolutely stink - I know this is par for the course with bikes but I never felt it this immediately with my other bikes in similar conditions - Michelin here we come.
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Boulderbiker
Posted on Wednesday, November 05, 2003 - 02:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Yeah, maybe I should go to a BMW board and see what the diehards use that actually have some grip in the winter. I've already had this happen a few times this winter, so I was TRYING to be careful, but this last time got the best of me. These things are horrible in the cold
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Boulderbiker
Posted on Wednesday, November 05, 2003 - 02:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Too late on the parts, I got impatient and had them hold some for me at High Country. I'll take 2 wheels over 4 anyday, so I gotta get my bike up and running again.
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Easyflier
Posted on Wednesday, November 05, 2003 - 05:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

With cold weather these are some good cautionary tales. Dump the OEM Dunlops at the earliest opportunity and you'll think you just bought another bike.

Cold tires on cold pavement makes for a dangerous combination, adjust your riding style accordingly.
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Kaese
Posted on Wednesday, November 05, 2003 - 11:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

A few times the the highway patrol has passed me on the freeway entrance ramp a few blocks from work, and I've thus far resisted the temptation to show him the XB can out corner his BMW. I am very leery of cold tires and respect the the laws of physics.
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Fullpower
Posted on Thursday, November 06, 2003 - 12:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

i have been riding a bit this week in the rain at 38 degrees, and wonder if any one has a tire recommendation for this climate. the 207's arent that bad, but something out there must be better. any one running michelins?
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Kaese
Posted on Thursday, November 06, 2003 - 01:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I have a set of Metzler Sportechs M-1 on a Buell S-2. But I don't push them, and they seem to do what I need them to do in the wet.
My 2 cents.
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Easyflier
Posted on Thursday, November 06, 2003 - 05:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I like my Pirelli Diablos, they seem to be good in the cold and wet. Much more sure footed than the Dunlops were.

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Hippo888
Posted on Thursday, November 06, 2003 - 04:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

My thought on the factory Dunlops:

I've been riding for 12 years, about 10-12,000 miles per year average. I figure I've been through a few new tires...

Well, I've never had a new tire spin out and plant me on my ass like that Dunlop did. New tire, cold weather, some leaves and I was sliding down the road on my back before I knew what happened. Mind you, I haven't had an accident in over 10 years, so I was a bit surprised. Completely my fault, but I've never experienced that much slip from a new tire.

On the other hand, the factory-spec Dunlops are LIGHT. They are really LIGHT. You can't believe how LIGHT they are until you pick one up. But hearing that others are having traction problems in cold weather makes me wonder if the tire construction/compound is ill suited for cold weather riding.

Paul in MI
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Buelluk
Posted on Thursday, November 06, 2003 - 07:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Riding up in New York State a couple of weeks ago , I gave the 9S too much gas and it got a bit squirrelly on me, I put this down to the air and road temp ( around 40 degrees - it was getting dark ), the next day during the mid afternoon - between 65 and 70 degrees it was a solid as a rock
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Phillyblast
Posted on Thursday, November 06, 2003 - 09:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

slightly unrelated car story - last new year's eve, about 30 degrees outside, late for a party, drving the (mostly) stock Mustang GT on a two lane blacktop in New Jersey, I stomped on it in 3rd gear, at about 50 mph. Hit just over 3K on the tach, the traction control light started coming on and the ass end started getting squirrely. Spun the rear tires at 50-60 mph in 3rd gear. Cold asphalt=no traction. Bike is in the garage this week, at least until the leaf-collectors come around.
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Austinrider
Posted on Friday, November 07, 2003 - 05:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Can you use the same pegs from the passenger assembly on the rider part?
Just curious since I have 2 sets of passenger footpegs and I may be able to help this gent out.

From the weather you describe, I know you are not in Texas (my home state)

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Darthane
Posted on Friday, November 07, 2003 - 11:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Austin,

They'll fit, but the passenger pegs are a 'locking' variety and I don't know if you can get the springs into them for the rider mounts.

The peg holes that secure them are the same size, though. I actually have stock rider and passenger pegs, 9S rider pegs, and a set of the traction rider pegs. All interchangeable, it's just the springs and locking doohickies that don't want to work right when swapping front to back.

Bryan
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