| Author | Message | ||
     Evil_twin |
This question may have been answered long ago...but how bad do you all believe the D&D pipe to be. I like to do my homework and I don't want to shell out the 550 to get it if it's not going to improve my performance... reliably. I have read about the Nallins pipe breaking on a few people and I really don't want that hassle. Basically, I just want to improve the power curve. Get that "hump" out of second gear. I would appreciate any input any of you would be willing to give. | ||
| Tedk |
I tried the D&D and the "Drummer". The D&D is good for one thing; noise IMO. I am now the happy owner of a great sounding Drummer whith smooth&strong poerband. | ||
| Tedk |
Sorry, POWERBAND not poerband. And at $350 + shipping and your old pipe it's a great deal. | ||
| Buckinfubba |
ted Thanks for the compliments.... evil twin the price is $350 and that includes the shipping. Plus wouldn't you want a pipe that gives good performance and was made and thought up by a fellow hoosier. of course I am from the opposite end of the state...down in bloomington. check the "update and revisions of the drummer" thread and check out what it looks like and the dynos. Brian Tilley hd/buell buckinfubba@hotmail.com 704-872-3883 | ||
| Buckinfubba |
ted are ya coming riding with us tomorrow.... | ||
| Blake |
Ted, On what do you base your derision of the D&D muffler? Dyno results I've seen and bikes I have ridden speak well of the D&D pipe. It provides a huge boost to the midrange of an XB9. No it does not improve peak HP much if at all. But to say it is only good for one thing, noise, is simply not true. I would sell the Drummer based on its merits, great midrange AND improved peak hp AND lower price rather than try to deride the product of a competitor. I'm certain Bubba agrees. | ||
| Leeaw |
I have only had the Drummer on for a day, if the D&D is louder, I think it would be insane for me. The Drummer seems to bring the start of the powerband down from 4K to 3K. I stopped at the dealer and none of the mechanics or salespeople mentioned the sound even though it sounded nothing like the stock bike or the race kit. When they started it up in the service bay, it sounded as good as a nice Harley. ECM and filter are on order. If it is all Brian says, it should kick ass!!! edited by leeaw on November 01, 2003 | ||
| Anonymous |
It depends if you want steak or hamberger if you want steak gofer the d later Inappropriate anonymous post by "Buellish" edited by blake on November 03, 2003 | ||
| Oconnor |
huh? | ||
| Glitch |
It depends if you want steak or hamberger if you want steak gofer the d Why? Because D&D is a big company? The power curve when compared shows the Drummer a much better pipe. Sometimes a private chef is more suited for the meal... | ||
| Gearloose |
Well I guess I will keep my disfunctional,inferior,D&D that matches my slow,chicken strip riding manner!  Gearloose | ||
| Chainsaw |
Takes real cojones to talk shit anonymously. | ||
| Glitch |
No offense Gearloose. I know the D&D pipe is a good pipe. And I'm sure you'll loose the chicken strips. It was just a knee jerk reaction to what Anonymous posted. I don't know what went into the D&D, but I'm sure they didn't just through a pipe together. I do know however what went into the Drummer. D&D for upper end type (racer if you will). Drummer for the middle where most of us ride anyway. Both good pipes, bad Anonymous post... | ||
| Gearloose |
Glitch,just bsn about the "strips",I do alright,but I won't be getting payed to ride a factory bike in my lifetime!lol The D&D does ok for me at this time,I keep the r's up above 3500 most of the time anyway.I try to ride where the fat range is and don't over rev em. Had the flu for 3 days,and it's raining out,might have to get up to Waterloo Monday and "bother" Dave!!!! Gearloose | ||
| Austinrider |
I have the D&D pipe. Yes, it is a loud pipe. It is an improvement (measured by the seat of my pants dynometer) over the stock. I have not seen nor heard a Drummer. I do know that I get noticed on the street with the D&D. I feel more comfortable out there with all the cagers who dont pay attention to the road. Loud pipes save lives is my opinion. Hence, to me the increase in awareness is a better trade off than a few hp. I went to the track on XB9S with my D&D, in all of the video we shot, you can surely hear my bike (especially over the jap bikes). What exactly are you looking for in your pipe? Where do you ride mostly? How important is it to you for you to be "noticed/seen" while you are on your bike? | ||
| Leeaw |
Don't be fooled because the Drummer is quite loud too and you will get noticed. It has a very nice bark to it. | ||
| Dynarider |
Takes real cojones to talk shit anonymously Wonder why its even an anon post? | ||
| Bigdaddy |
I, too, wonder why that post was anonymous? I do believe Brian's little old Drummer has someone worried? Good work Brian! Greg | ||
| Rsh |
Here is the D&D dyno plot for reference. Using the stock air filter and ecm.  | ||
| Roc |
I would like to see a chart of the 2 - Drummer and Force - overlayed, both with needed air filters and ECMs. Put the Force on there too, maybe the Wileyco. | ||
| Buckinfubba |
Good lord what is everybody up in arms about. Teds comment was probably taken the wrong way. He is basing his opinon on the fact that he had a D&D on his bike and switched to the drummer. so in his opinon ( which we are all entitled to) is , in his humble opinon, just what he said. as far as anon's post...who cares, its always gonna be a world of my is bigger and badder than yours . I don't really care, I know we made a good pipe and I would never say anyone elses was crap unless it was total crap. Drummer, D&D, force, wileyco....it all comes down to what you want it always has and always will. it will always come down to money it always has always will. I will say this tho...I've seen the dyno's on the drummer and the D&D and varying ones on the force I've seen the jardine and never seen the wileyco. the drummer does better overall than the D&D, that is just a fact, sorry its true. It does better than the jardine, sorry its true. and on some it was better than the force, but I figure that was a bad tune job. who knows. and another fact...at $350 for the drummer. it is at a very good price. so I don't feel there is really any need for this, oh mine is good yours is crap, stuff. but I will say....oh come on get yourself a drummer  | ||
| Phillyblast |
Brian, If'n I had an XB the most appealing part of the Drummer pipe would be the stock shell, meaning stock mounting points and less chance of a broken mount. Which I guess was Evil Twin's question to begin with?? | ||
| Buckinfubba |
thats the beauty of that pipe. | ||
| Skully |
Here is a composite of the D&D on my bike (2003 XB9S with race ECM, K&N filter, and air box modified) versus a similarly equipped XB with a Force pipe.  Buckinfubba - if you will send me a dyno chart where I can pull the numbers off of it, I'll add the Drummer to the chart. Keith | ||
| Leeaw |
There is a pic of the dyno comparing the Drummer to the stock on the October 5th archive of Update on Drummer pipe. You need to compare torque figures too but the torque curve up to 5,000 rpm is what sold me on the Drummer. Besides that, Brian's initiative and effort has beaten the big boys. | ||
| Oconnor |
ANyone have a nallin header with a drummer? Love to see a dyno on that... | ||
| Buckinfubba |
the header won't work with the drummer I don't believe because of the bend and how it enters the pipe. skully I'll send ya pic of the dyno sheet. and see how it works. the only problem with this comparo is...different dyno's different numbers. Not a big difference but a difference all the same. not a very controlled experiment | ||
| Buckinfubba |
skull check your messages | ||
| Buellish2 |
I did nt realize how sensitive some of u are I just trust D&d ive owned 5 of their pipes 7LOVE THE SOUND & the anon post was accident !!!! pc in chitown & proud owner of one LOAD ASSSS BATTLE BLUE XB!!!!! LATER | ||
| Noface |
let's all sit around and blow smoke up each others ass why don't we? To help sum up some of MY opinions, I rode the stock muffler for about 5k, then the Buell Race can for another 6k, and now the D&D (almost 14k on the ODO now). I can't tell the difference between the Buell Race can and the D&D. The D&D sounds better, looks better (my opinion), is lighter, built like a tank, you can still use a jack, and it's 200 bucks more than the Buell can or Drummer (that's definately not a plus). As far as what the torque and HP looks like at 2500 - 3000, at the risk of pissing some folks off... if your riding around at 2500, and that's where it's important to you, maybe you bought the wrong bike. If you want to burble around town, there's better bikes for that. Jody S. |
