| Author | Message | ||
     Js_buell |
I looked at the exhaust shoot out and now I'm even more confused. Maybe it's because I can't read the dyno chart correctly but my choice before reading was mostly going to be a drummer or a SS drummer(but Kevin told me about 6 top 8 month for the SS). Now that I have looked at the charts I'm not sure anymore since the drummer's don't seem to give much of gain and before I get fired let me say that I'm not bitching about the exhaust nor saying they are not good I'm just explaining what I was able to find in the shoot out. The SS seem to be the best of the two but not sure I want to wait that long. So for those with drummer what is it that make them so liked by everybody if the chart are not saying the same. I just want to have an idea, I'll probable still get a drummer either standard or SS | ||
| Nillaice |
i'd rather have a drummer cuz my D&D is seemingly getting more annoyingly louder | ||
| Chippy |
lemmee know if you wanna get rid of that d&d nilly! '  | ||
| Moosestang |
I've never looked at dyno charts for exhausts. I change exhausts for the sound. I like the sound of the drummer. It has a really deep rumble. | ||
| Js_buell |
I like the sound of the drummer. It has a really deep rumble. Well I like it too from what I could listen in the shoot out and on youtube but I also look at power improvement when I change exhaust usually, so that's why I was asking what make it better then the others for you drummer owners I'm just curious because before I buy something I usually research it as much as I can | ||
| Gschuette |
I waited six months for my Drummer SS. It was and wasn't worth it. I love the pipe but but the stock pipe is drowned out by valve and fan noise. It was too quiet to go nearly a year on the stock exhaust. Still a sweet pipe. | ||
| Moosestang |
Well I like it too from what I could listen in the shoot out and on youtube but I also look at power improvement when I change exhaust usually, so that's why I was asking what make it better then the others for you drummer owners I'm just curious because before I buy something I usually research it as much as I can I guess I don't consider there to be much performance difference between exhausts, unless it's a full system. If you are talking a few horsepower or torque difference on some dyno sheets, well that could be from error, rather than actual better performance. My point is don't sweat it based on some tests that may or may not be flawed. Can you really tell the difference between 80 and 85rwhp? | ||
| Brutus |
I think the Special Ops pipe sounded as good or better than the drummer. It's a few bills cheaper too! | ||
| Packrat |
+1 on the SpecOPS...love the way it sounds!!! | ||
| Moosestang |
I think the Special Ops pipe sounded as good or better than the drummer. It's a few bills cheaper too! That's the one i'd get if my bike hadn't already came with a drummer. | ||
| Sticks |
I have a '06 City that I purchased new. Ran it for maybe 6K stock, about 1 to 1.5K with a Jardine and a Drummer since. I now have about 15K. The stock seemed to stumble a bit down low and would pop a lot on decel. A little too quiet for me. I got the Jardine and put a race ecm and K&N on and had the TPS reset. Initially, I liked the sound, but it seemed kind of guttless. It lacked the low end of the stock can, but maybe made a bit more ponies at 6 grand or so on up, I don't know for sure. This is just seat of the pants. The sound was louder, but not to my liking. It was too high pitched and hurt my ears on rides more than 15 minutes or so without earplugs. Lots of loud popping on decel and the occasional loud backfire. I like the Drummer much better than the other cans I've tried. I love the sound. It's beefier than stock but not annoying. My bike seems to pull better down low than either stock or the Jardine. It runs ( feels and sounds ) better than stock and certainly better than with the Jardine. The Drummer backfires or pops less than stock and the Jardine on decel. Not very scientific, but my bike feels much better with the Drummer. Better pull, better sound, runs better, in my opinion. | ||
| 08_xbss |
Ive got a 08xbss with a special ops pipe i also waited a while but the sound is great so is the performance it is one to consider ! | ||
| Echo15 |
1++ on the spec ops. Sounds great and on my Uly gives noticably better performance (I really didn't expect much more ooomph out of it, but it is there). | ||
| Prowler |
Regardless of the shootout, I found the Drummer just way too dang loud, The resonance inside my helmet was literally mind-blowing. Twenty minutes after installing it, I removed it. I've just installed a used Buell race pipe and it sounds good without blowing out my ear drums. It's a keeper. | ||
| Xl1200r |
I also have a Spec Ops and love it. It's a little louder than a Drummer and gives slightly better curves, but it's nearly immeasurable to anything but a dyno. People love the Drummer because they love Kevin, and the product is very "finished". A Spec Ops is little rough around the edges compared to the Drummer. You get what you pay for. BTW - Odie is also a great guy to deal with. Also, a muffler on an XB doesn't do much to change any peak numbers, but they can have a big effect on the area under the curve. Don't look at peak numbers when choosing an exhaust - look at the shape of the curves. | ||
| Htekwo |
^^^^That is why I'm confused about JS_Buell's not liking the Drummer for the numbers. From what I could tell (and I read dyno numbers well) the Drummer had one of the best compromises of all the slip ons. For that matter, the Buell Race pipe did very very well, they just didn't like the sound. It was a little soft down low, but screamed up top! The Drummer seemed to be the one they liked the best because of sound and midrange punch which is where most of your usable TQ and HP will benefit you on the street. Even the Micro didn't have better numbers than the Race Pipe! Also, all the pipes had a bigger improvement on the XB9 than the XB12. (Message edited by Htekwo on September 18, 2008) | ||
| Xb12mel |
I've got the Drummer SS on my XB12Scg and for me it was the sound. I loved everything about my bike except what happened when I started it up with the stock pipe on it. The Drummer was a purchase made out of pure vanity for me. I don't race the bike so an additional 5 or 6 HP wasn't going to make the difference. It was all about the rumble. People were already looking at me strange because many of them had never seen a Buell. I wanted to pipe to back up my V-Twin muscle claims. And it delivers!!! For the record, I don't know Kevin, but I'm glad I got his product. If you're out there KD and you need an endorsement.... I'm your man! | ||
| Nuerburgringer |
For what its worth, XB12s don't seem to get nearly the bump from aftermarket mufflers as XB9s do. Don't know precisely why that is. | ||
| Azxb9r |
Keep in mind also that the numbers on the dyno are at WOT. In normal riding, you do not spend that much time at WOT, and the different pipes will have different characteristics under different conditions. As far as sound is concerned, decibels at WOT are only part of the story. You can have loud with a pleasant tone, or you can have loud with a nasty, obnoxious tone. The one thing that most of the aftermarket pipes have in common, is that they are loud | ||
| Ray_xb |
}I waited six months for my Drummer SS. I've ordered mine at the end of november 2007 and still waiting for it.} | ||
| Barnyard |
what it sounds like Kevin needs to get in touch with this Kevin and I can start making some cans for him. Ma be I could start with my can. | ||
| Js_buell |
That is why I'm confused about JS_Buell's not liking the Drummer for the numbers I never said I don't like the drummer I actually said that it's most likely the one I'm buying. I know that numbers are nothing it just confused me a bit because I read all those things about how better the bikes were running with the drummer and in the chart I didn't see that much difference, sure there was some improvement but nothing more then what a slip-on on other bikes will do thats why I was asking. I am looking at the drummer for the same thing most of you did, the sound. | ||
| 2008xb12scg |
Newbie questions while we're on the subject. When you say "slip on" Is there a different kind? Does that just mean the obvious? What does WOT mean? It sounds like the bike came with a good pipe and the only reason to change it is either for sound or more top end. My bike has gotten a little louder after 2k miles and sometimes I would like it louder but not sure if I would get irritated after a whole day of riding. | ||
| Pokinatcha |
Slip on would be the muffler only as opposed to a full system which includes headers. It seems to me that slip on usually refers to mufflers on metric type sport bikes which is kinda the look the jardine and such have. WOT is Wide Open Throttle. | ||
| Gschuette |
I'm pro-drummer. The SS is pretty quiet. I retract my previous statement. Totally worth the wait. Nice rumble without totally screwing with your ears. | ||
| Whitetrashxb |
I thought the shootout report was pretty informative and easy to read, as i don't always read graphs well either. I've had the jardine on my 9 for awhile and have been pleased with it. I think if i change i will go the full system route. That being said, anybody know why the Force system wasn't included or have any input on that system? Seems a little less pricey than the Micron. | ||
| 2008xb12scg |
thanks Pokinatcha | ||
| Xb9ser |
Ive been running a drummer since mar. of 04 and love it | ||
| Mikef5000 |
Not much info on the D&D XB exhaust here. Thoughts? |
