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Moosestang
Posted on Sunday, August 31, 2008 - 09:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Does anyone make a lock that's impossible to cut through? I don't care how heavy or big it is because I would permanently leave it attached to a steel pole at work.
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Nillaice
Posted on Sunday, August 31, 2008 - 09:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

how many feet of chain link can you fit under your seat?

if somebody really wants your bike they'll get it. you just gotta make yours harder than somebody else's to steal.

i've seen a deal on here where they'd chained up their bike to the cement pad. a disc lock is enuff to give me a small piece of mind, to go along with my small mind..................HA!
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Texas_firebolt
Posted on Sunday, August 31, 2008 - 09:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

kryptonite locks seem to be a good choice as you can see. lol

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Beachbuell
Posted on Sunday, August 31, 2008 - 09:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

A plasma cutter will cut anything. As stated above, if someone wants your bike bad enough, its gone. But, anything is better than nothing to at least give the thief a second thought to move on to an easier target. I have use Kryptonite locks, disc locks and cable locks through the wheels before.
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Mr2shim
Posted on Sunday, August 31, 2008 - 10:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Yea something is better than nothing. But if I recall correctly the owner of that bike pictured, forgot the lock was on and attempted to ride off. LOL
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Jake_blues
Posted on Sunday, August 31, 2008 - 10:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

ha unfortunately all it takes is a couple guys to lift the bike up into the back of their truck or large van...and then they can take their time w/ the lock if they wish. so i pretty much decided to stick w/ the handlebar lock and hope for the best...
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Sincitydavid
Posted on Sunday, August 31, 2008 - 10:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I like the onguard beast chain lock. It took a circ saw at least 30 seconds a cut and had to make two cuts to get the chain off. I think there is a youtube out of it out there.
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Starter
Posted on Sunday, August 31, 2008 - 11:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Kryptonite NY Chain is about the best you'll get. Did know the trade name for this stuff so all that was required was the lock and no the ridiculously price peice of chain as well. It was about 25% of teh price. I'll have a search for it.

As stated above very hard to cut mechanically but 10 seconds with a gas axe and its history.
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Iamarchangel
Posted on Monday, September 01, 2008 - 12:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

A number of years ago, at the local university, a crew with a cube van picked up every illegally parked motorcycle. They had all the tools and uniforms. The van was the same colour as all the other university vehicles.

They left the legally parked bikes alone.

They were not working for the university and nobody registered any info on them at all.

There's a lesson there.
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Texas_firebolt
Posted on Monday, September 01, 2008 - 03:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

mr2shim, i know that the guy left the lock on and tried to ride off. i was just demonstrating the toughness of the lock. but on a serious note, anybody that really wants a bike can get it, but why make it an easy take. i use the biggest cable lock i could find. its like an inch and a half thick and i chain it to a concreted pole. cable is always better because its harder to cut through than chain and much stronger.
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Cityxslicker
Posted on Monday, September 01, 2008 - 03:09 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Lo Jack, it wont keep it from getting stolen, but it will put a nasty cramp in the style of the a$$hat that stole it.

Every security device has a flaw, you just need to make yours a harder target than the bike next to it.
Or paint it pink and put a bunch of Hello Kitty Stickers on it. That ought to deter most thieves.
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Corporatemonkey
Posted on Monday, September 01, 2008 - 05:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

If it was me, I would just use 2 basic (heavy duty) chains, with beefy padlocks. I would avoid anything exotic, as they are mostly a waste of money.

Lately I have been playing with canned air, the type you use for computers.
If you hold it upside down and closely spray any padlock, it will quickly freeze. A good tap with a hammer will shatter the lock. It works every time.

The reason I mention this is no lock with stop everyone. 2 chains just look like work, so most people will move on.

A bigger concern would be the curious. The curious are the one that want to sit on your bike. Do you think they stick around when they accidently tip it over??? Of course not. : (

Here is nice video that explains my method
http://tinyurl.com/6cqwlt
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Ducbsa
Posted on Monday, September 01, 2008 - 07:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The lock in the video was brass. I wonder how the steel locks would do? We are working on a chiller system where the steel piping (ASTM A-333) going to the coils is rated for -50F and the Refrigerant piping would see lower temps than that. The rating has some safety factor so that it doesn't fail at -51F.
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Ironken
Posted on Monday, September 01, 2008 - 12:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

As all of you who have financed your Buells know, the value drops faster than your payoff.....Gap insurance.... that's my method of locking my bike up. If they take it, I'll go get another one. No scratches on a new one....Kenny
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Ulynut
Posted on Monday, September 01, 2008 - 05:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I once owned a fire-breathing beast Shovelhead Dyna Glide that I dearly loved. One night a couple gorilla-sized goons came in my garage, picked up my bike, and carried it over the hoods of TWO cars, without making any noise. The garage was locked, no windows, solid door, and I had a really, really mean german shepard in the house who never heard them. Put all the chains and locks you want on it, it can still be stolen by a pro. Like Cityxslicker said, Lojack and an additional loud alarm is the way to go.
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New12r
Posted on Monday, September 01, 2008 - 08:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Dont worry, no one in their right mind will steal a Buell.

I have left mine in two empty parking lots at the base of the mountains the last two days for hours and it was still there.
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Sam_07
Posted on Tuesday, September 02, 2008 - 08:23 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Get theft insurance! Lock or no lock, it takes two guys with a pickup truck and your buell is gone.
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Moosestang
Posted on Tuesday, September 02, 2008 - 04:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

ha unfortunately all it takes is a couple guys to lift the bike up into the back of their truck or large van...and then they can take their time w/ the lock if they wish. so i pretty much decided to stick w/ the handlebar lock and hope for the best...

I know how bikes are stolen, i'm looking for something to slow them down. I'm going to chain it to something that can't be picked up, like was stated in my original post.

the locks/chains will stay there, so no worries how big/heavy the lock.
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Moosestang
Posted on Tuesday, September 02, 2008 - 05:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

http://www.almax-security-chains.co.uk/product.asp ?s=uyl9cs87172&strPageHistory=category&numSearchSt artRecord=0&strParents=73&CAT_ID=73&P_ID=122&btnPr oduct=More+Details

almax seems to be the only chain that is impervious to bolt cutters.

My bike is locked in a building next to my house. I have two dogs and a 9mm, so i'm only worried at work while it's sitting out back.

(Message edited by moosestang on September 02, 2008)
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Lighting
Posted on Tuesday, September 02, 2008 - 06:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I had a 2002 gixxer, one night two guys came to my driveway with a black Chevy van, tried to wheeled out but I had a disc lock and silent alarm, when they trigger the alarm, I went outside with a AK47 and fired 4 shots. I got the expended shells and went inside, the following day two detectives came over my house and I rather don't discuss the details in a public forum, but since then I leave my car open and sometimes my bike in the driveway and nothing had never happened in six years.
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Moosestang
Posted on Tuesday, September 02, 2008 - 07:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Yeah, i'm planning on a paging alarm. Unfortunately my stupid employer won't allow guns, so I can't shoot anyone.

I've never shot an AK47, but my S&W 9mm will wake the dead! I can't imagine someone not shitting themselves if I fired it without their knowing I was there.
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Oddball
Posted on Tuesday, September 02, 2008 - 07:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

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Moosestang
Posted on Tuesday, September 02, 2008 - 07:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Oddball, is it just me or does your link not work?

Never mine, working now.

(Message edited by moosestang on September 02, 2008)
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Oddball
Posted on Tuesday, September 02, 2008 - 08:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Glad to hear that. Thought I was following the directions on how to link youtube. I know it takes a few seconds to load.

Just seemed like it fit with the talk of ak.
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Retrittion
Posted on Wednesday, September 03, 2008 - 02:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Lol -- love that movie! I'll stick with my M14 and 1911 though, call me old school. I always thought that the best method of locking a bike would be to immobilize something that you couldn't be cut off without destroying it's ability to move -- would discourage someone looking to joyride.

Personally, I am going with City's Hello Kitty stickers and pink paint option. Oh wait -- what about those vicious 12yr old girl biker gangs we have here in Washington? Drat, foiled again!
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B00stzx3
Posted on Wednesday, September 03, 2008 - 02:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I had another thread about this, because my bike is custom painted, loud, and I live in a s-hole ghetto neighborhood in Baltimore City. The main thing you gotta remember is if a PROFFESSIONAL thief wants your bike, hes gonna get it unless its in a garage. Second, a chain must be strong and around something thats immobile, like a lightpost or a thick tree. All the chains can be cut except one, the Almax Immobiliser III series. They tested them, and even ther Kryptonite chain can be hand cropped in under a minute. This is the only one that can't, but its close to $300, and its pretty much available only in UK so shipping would be a beyotch. Get a thick chain, a paging alarm,a cover, and pick either swtichblade/bat/gun to solve your theft problem when the alarm goes off. A floodlight and big dog wouldnt hurt either. Remember though that a pro might have an acetlyne/plasma torch which will cut through most anything, or a grinder.

http://www.almax-security-chains.co.uk/peh6tl87279/Almax-Immobiliser-Series-III/c-1-69/

The chains that were cropped fast
http://www.almax-security-chains.co.uk/index.asp?pg=7

I've personally been looking at the 14mm Onguard Beast Chain w/padlock, a SPY LM508 "clone" paging alarm and a Duratech locking cover offa ebay, a motion sensing floodlight and something the 2nd amendment garuntees me.

(Message edited by b00stzx3 on September 03, 2008)
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Moosestang
Posted on Wednesday, September 03, 2008 - 06:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I'm thinking the beast chain, along with a paging alarm will be enough for me. I'm planning to chain it to a fence that is 4 feet off the ground. This fence is made out of thick steel tubing, not like a chain-link fence.

If the chain is suspended 4 feet off the ground, that should make cropping it more difficult.
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Iamarchangel
Posted on Wednesday, September 03, 2008 - 09:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Ah, "Mercans and their guns.

I remember a few years ago in the US, a couple of uniforms telling me not to worry, nobody was going to steal my guitars and gear because they had guns. I told them to please not kill anybody over my stuff. I weirded them out, oh well.

Had all my racing stuff stolen years ago, took a few days but I found out who did it and made a deal for him to return everything. He did, including things I didn't realize he had taken. No muss, no fuss.

Had a knife stolen from me at work, the thief came to me over a year later, apologized and returned the knife. He said he had had nothing but bad luck since he took it and wanted his luck back.

That's the legend I want attached to my belongings.
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Lost_in_ohio
Posted on Wednesday, September 03, 2008 - 10:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Who installs lojack on Buell????? I went to the website and cannot find a dealer that will do it.
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Corporatemonkey
Posted on Thursday, September 04, 2008 - 06:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Lost, you need to find out if your area is covered by Lojack.

The local police need the receiving equipment to make it worthwhile.
Lojack has been here in Seattle for quite sometime, yet only recently did they start offering motorcycle kits.

If someone really wanted to go the lojack route, I myself would invest in a GPS tracking service.
There are many to choose from, some based on paging technology, some based on cellular data, and the best being based on Inmarsat C (think ship based satellite telephones).

I have seen reputable rate plans for less than $20 a month.

While lojack is considered a "standard" in the industry, it has a few flaws. A pro will know immediately how to disable the system (hint: a metal shipping container does wonders). A joy rider has usually long dumped your bike in a ditch by the time the fuzz have time to respond.

I stand by my original take, a bigger concern is the curious. How many times on this forum have we read about a drunk bar hound attempting to climb on a bike, only to tip it over? Significantly more than outright theft attempts.

Now if this was a GSXR forum, my thinking would be the exact opposite.
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