| Author | Message | ||
     Dynarider |
Remember the actual V-rod motor has a lot of BS bolt on crap that isnt needed. Its purely for asthetics. Take the unneeded stuff off & the physical dimensions are pretty damn close to the VR. | ||
| Court |
>>>The nice thing about deliberatly not knowing anything is I can speculate right along with the rest of you without fear of getign somebody fired. Tis, dear friend, what makes us the "perfect couple"...you're old, I'm stupid and neither of us can remember what happened as recently as yesterday. Anhy wonder we found each other in theis crazy mixed of two-wheeled world? By the way....remember how you laughed at my idea 2 weeks ago. Advance emmisary being dispatched on 10.08.03. Prepare to eat they words.....  Court (I'd take a 1996 S-1 over a VROD motored Buell...my helmet still have "inner grin dents"  | ||
| Court |
Hey....I'm trying to plan my schedule next week...in the continuing circle fo threads what comes after "I saw a secret Buell"....I know it's either contact patch, naughty language on SacBorg, why harley riders don't wave of synthetic oil? Any one recall? Court (being 50 is a bitch...spoekn loud enough to over come Bomber and RT's over-exposure to Led Zepplin) | ||
| Sarodude |
Uh, not a single computer program or pen / drafting pad can change the basic laws of physics and the current limitations of materials available and cost effective manufacturing processes. Personally, I appreciate Dyna's recon work BUT don't necessarily agree with the conclusion to which he is jumping. -Saro | ||
| Mikej |
This being the Slimey Crud weekend I believe the topic of discussion (as noted by the Blast discussion currently underway about Pirelli adhesion of new unscrubbed rubber) will be Contact Patches. Throw in a few wet slippery early Fall leaves and I believe the topic will shift to Ice Racing in short order. | ||
| M1combat |
"with todays CAD technology..." Of course you can't change physics with a computer, but you CAN model the laws quite nicely (read "Pro-E" and use cad to shrink and Pro-E to modify so as to come up with a product that will fit the frame of the XB AND make a boatload of power and still be reliable. OHC-4V heads rule my friend. I think they'll do it. The VR engine does indeed ROCK and seemingly suits the desire of EB to make a torquey yet light sled. Of course, the material used for the jugs and block would need to be changed but hey... Porsche is pretty good with that sort of thing. Not as good as Toyota or Ferrari but pretty good. As far as conclusion hopping, I didn't really see any as such, mostly speculation. I'll tell you though, I would have high expectations (VERY high) of a VR powered XB frame and if it happened and even came close, I would buy one in a heartbeat. Here's to hoping . | ||
| Road_thing |
Court--speak up, sonny, I can't hear you... r-t | ||
| Ocbueller |
Buell might not be able to sell enough sport tourers to justify the production, but H/D probably could. Maybe it will be billed as a Vrod with a XB type frame. The frame could easily be stretched to fit fuel and V motor. Many have always thought H/D purchased Buell for their test market mule. I say let's have it. I want one soon! I'd prefer it to say Buell on the tank. SteveH | ||
| Martin |
I just did 2000 miles or so in four days on my xb9r, filling-up every 100 miles or so and avoiding motorways and autoroutes where possible. With a better seat and a bigger tank I could have easily doubled the range between stops. Like always I had lots of time for thinking and came-up with the idea of drop-tanks for the XB! Imagine a demountable hard-luggage system with collapsable fuel-bladders in the bottom of the cases.Use dry-break connectors and you could choose between luggage and fuel space. That way you wouldn't compromise the sporting lightness when you got to your destination. Next stop: in-flight refuelling! | ||
| Anonymous |
Guys, A V-Rod powered XB ain't going to happen. Period. Too big and too heavy. Would be like building a Twin Cam XB. And, Dyna, the base V-Rod motor is not the about same as a VR, and even if it was, that's old technology by today's standards. The V-Rod would need to lose 70 lbs to be in the ballpasrk for a modern sportbike engine. | ||
| Misato |
dyna, next time take pictures  yes, have a camera with you at all times | ||
| Dynarider |
Notice none of the anons have said I didnt see what I saw. only that it wont reach production. | ||
| Aesquire |
I saw a convoy of 7 BMW suv's a year before production. NYS Thruway, weekday, broad daylight, 80mph+, ugly (Not production)bodywork. Many companies test in total secrecy, out in public. Most people just don't observe in their minds what their eyes see. Unfamiliar shapes are rejected by the mind, or pasted over with preconcieved/familiar images. Or not passed on to the driver, who is thinking about work, sex, or power, & on the phone. That's why people REALLY don't see motorcycles. Fear this fact. That said, I want a 2nd Buell, that can carry 2 big people, 100 mph, & handle/brake/do that voodoo that Buell's do so well. | ||
| Dynarider |
Would be like building a Twin Cam XB. Whats the actual size & weight difference between the TC & the Sporty 1200 motor? | ||
| Chainsaw |
If Boss Hoss can stick a small block 350 in a motorcycle, I think sticking a Revolution engine in an XB style frame is not beyond the realm of possibility. | ||
| Tedk |
I'd like to see a 984cc or 1200cc with pushrods that is air-cooled in an XB frame, oh and under 90rwhp please. I guess I'll have to dream... Dyna, I am still sitting by my phone... | ||
| Dynarider |
Im at work at weekend. 12hr shifts & I have to get some sleep sometime. I have your number & will call asap. I think sticking a Revolution engine in an XB style frame is not beyond the realm of possibility. Its very possible..I know. | ||
| Dresden |
Wouldn't putting a VRSC motor in a Buell cause V-Rod values to be hurt? That is why I don't think H-D would like that kind of thing. | ||
| Dynarider |
Wouldn't putting a VRSC motor in a Buell cause V-Rod values to be hurt? That is why I don't think H-D would like that kind of thing. Its all about sales. IF Buell ever actually produces this bike you can bet it wont be cheap. I would say it would cost $14,000. IF it was to be built by actual Buell employees there would be some cost savings over the cost of building a V-rod simply based on the lower wages they earn there. I really dont think it would hurt the sales anyways. Sportbikes & cruisers...2 totally different markets. Has the Honda VTX taken away sales from the 750 magna? Has the Valkyrie killed off some Goldwing sales? I doubt it, if nothing else it has only added more sales. I dont care what anyone says. I truly believe if Buell markets this bike it would be a best seller, there would be a huge waiting list for one. Imagine a Buell that could easily put out 115rwhp & maintain the reliability & warranty. That bike would tear the CBR's & R6's a new ass. An american built sportbike that kicks ass & takes names..isnt that what everyone wants? | ||
| José_quiñones |
Yes, we do, but the question is: Which one will hit the street first, the one from the folks in Schaumburg, Illinois, or the one from the folks in Milwaukee, Wisconsin? edited by josé_quiñones on October 04, 2003 | ||
| Buelliedan |
Jose, What the hell is that?? | ||
| José_quiñones |
The competition, it's about time! | ||
| José_quiñones |
Dyna, remember these are the folks that don't consider the XB and the XL to be the same motor, when they are clearly related by sharing architecture and parts. What you saw was either a watercooled Buell with a 1000cc Revolution based engine, or a VROD powered, XB chassis wearing Street Fighter that will say HARLEY-DAVIDSON VRSF on the tank when it goes on sale. If it's a watercooled Buell with a totally different and HD unrelated engine, that would be cool, but unlikely, in my opinion. | ||
| José_quiñones |
Review this old story, it might still have some relevant information. | ||
| Court |
Notice none of the anons have said I didnt see what I saw. only that it wont reach production. I think that's EXACTLY what I said. All companies dabble and play "what if". Use, for a moment, your knowledge of the minds at Buell and you can imagine the things that could come from that game being played in that enviroment. You MUST all the time be asking "yeah, but what COULD be do?" INNOVATION is not doing what you did last year and tweaking it just a bit. | ||
| Dresden |
I think it would hurt V-Rod sales. I was going to buy a V-Rod, but I went with an XB. An XB with a VRSC motor would increase the number of people that make a decision like that. I am buying a Fischer when they come out. | ||
| Sarodude |
I don't mean to piss on Fischer's Rose Parade Float but that video is ridiculous. Besides the fact that you can't see JACK, I hope all they were trying to say is, "Yes, we have one that runs." Even then, due to the fact you you cannot see Jack (and even if you could, you wouldn't really know that it wasn't Jill or Jaqueline) - I'm not so sure it even does that. I'm honestly getting sick of Masturbatory Mechanica. Cars (uh, at least those available in the US) got totally messed up by it. There are a few bikes that aren't - and that's what I keep my eyes out for. -Saro | ||
| Dresden |
Would a VRSC powered Buell have a full fairing? The bike would be very different. Buell would be going from H-Ds crappiest engine (1957 Sportster based), to their best engine. | ||
| Timbo |
>>>>Buell would be going from H-Ds crappiest engine (1957 Sportster based)<<<< How can you possibly say that? The four cam, single unit (engine/tranny) construction still has many advantages over the twin cam, and traits the VRSC has incorporated. I'm not saying something better can't be built, but to say the XB engine is the crappiest shows a definite lack of understanding. Timbo | ||
| Anonymous |
Yeah, what a barn burner this concept bike would be. A fattened up XB big enough to take a motor that weighs 70 lbs more than the competition. Let's see...500 lbs with 115 RWHP and about $16,000. Boy wouldn't that be a proud way to beat R-6s? 'Cause it sure wouldn't beat any liter Japanese bike. The XB is the world's greatest air-cooled sportbike...why would Buell ever build a water-cooled bike that wasn't the world's greatest? Oh, BTW, a Twin Cam weight 230 lbs complete...of course, it doesn't need radiators and water, so it's about a wash with the V-Rod at 205 lbs plus the above. |
