| Author | Message | ||
     Lanretsr |
I hate to keep things going but http://badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/47623/3 35938.html?1203049003 google.. she is a powerful mistress If your really interested in doing a turbo I know that Ericz on bulletinboard made one for his bike and was thinking of doing a kit. And speaking of rides since this seems to be the hot post, New England ride? Anybody... anybody? bueller? (Message edited by lanretsr on July 08, 2008) | ||
| Slaughter |
ROFL! There was an 1125R at Homecoming that actually DID have bearings in the muffler, I shit you not! That thing was BAD. ASS. I wish I'd had a camera. OMG!!! YESSSS!!! I totally forgot about that bike - they were riding right with Sunny and me on the ride up to the factory. I kept hearing the louder pipe and kept hoping he would pull up next to us at a stop. Finally got to look at it - it's the spinning "mini-gun" looking exhuast. Funnier than heck - and he even got a half dozen Buell employees curious enough to come over and they ALL seemed to enjoy it. Muffler bearings??? You betchya! (never caught it at the time) | ||
| Hammer71 |
Ah yes Ericz is the turbo Buell guy. | ||
| Ridrnkink18 |
the only reason i am tearing the motor apart is because the oil line blew and i had to ride another mile to get home i want to make sure i did not screw anything up internally...and you probably can get any bike and make it fast...what do you think i am stating..im making my buell fast...idc if you think you will never see it. what makes you think im dying to come there in a hurry...if im going to back my statements up im making sure the bike is in peak condition to come hold it wide open..i think its time to check anyway after the amount of stress i have put on the motor with the kit and not being able to help but go fast all the time | ||
| Ridrnkink18 |
i have seen that thread and he never did come out with a kit cause he might not have worked his kinks out at the same time..i dont know him but thats just my opinion...that bike is ridiculous btw i love the sound of his turbo. | ||
| Xl1200r |
...did he...naaaaaw... Yeah... I think he did... This just keeps getting better. As long as we're benchracing and just talking out our asses in general... I'm pretty sure I have a pair of Adidas that are faster than a Saturn V rocket. | ||
| Ridrnkink18 |
it will happen | ||
| Jramsey |
"oil line blew and I had to ride another mile" Oil pump,cams,cam bushings would be toast along with the rods and mains. | ||
| Darth_buell |
 This thread is great... Like Rosanne Barr in a thong... Yo don't want to but you have to keep looking cause in one way or another it is soooooo entertaining.... More power to you ridr, no pun intended. As long as you are ridin a Buell, on the street or in your head, it's a Buell. There came a time when Nascar hit 200mph and many skeptics said no way. It sure happened. I think though that everyone here would be more happier ( yes I'm mexican) seeing a Buell that does 200 than talking smack. It's just fun to smack talk. This is where digital video is great cause it is so easy to share your pics and vids with the world. I wanna see it. c'mon just me. one little peak.....  | ||
| Hammer71 |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwbD-fPodpo Guess how fast. (Message edited by hammer71 on July 08, 2008) | ||
| Xl1200r |
125mph | ||
| Snkkpr01 |
I can't believe I keep reading this thread. I can say this thought I am a light hearted person that sees humor in things. The statement was on a fake motivational poster. I found humor in it. I do know people that are handicapped and they actually find humor in it. And this thread is worthless without PICTURES Darin (Message edited by snkkpr01 on July 09, 2008) | ||
| Diablobrian |
Once again....NO MATTER WHAT FINAL DRIVE GEARING YOU HAVE it will NOT change what your speedo reads on the gage. This is due to the FACT that the pickup for the speedo comes off of the transmission output shaft....which as a master builder you are quite obviously aware....just like the ins and outs of carbs vs fuel injection on turbo charged bikes.  (at least a quick google search turned up the fact that you do need to lower compression, but a real engine builder would have been aware that the 9 motors used domed pistons and would have said something like "I'm re-building with flat-top pistons..." nice try though) I'm still waiting to hear what brand and size tires you run, what your final drive sprockets are and what your redline is set at. These are not exactly hard things to check. BTW how did you go about tuning your FI to get it to flow enough VOLUME of fuel to produce the HP to get to 200mph on a basically un-faired bike? There are guys running the 88inch motors with many hours of actual dyno time that are still having issues with that.... Oh wait I forgot, you're just so "lucky" that your bike came with injectors calibrated for that kind of volume  Also, how did you cure the pinging and deal with the problems of flame front speed at and (obviously) beyond redline? You can only get power out of fuel that has time to burn and expand on the power stroke. Different laws of physics in your motor? or do you run from those laws too? It's some kind of coincidence that I pointed out changing oil lines takes only minutes and then suddenly your motor is torn apart for a rebuild when you'd been riding the day before. It takes a lot to get this many people that tend to give the benefit of the doubt aligned against you, but incredible claims require incredible proofs. My bike is well documented and runs a chain drive as well. According to the math, yes, it takes more than "It still felt like there was more in it so it'll do 200mph" THERE ARE NO MAGICAL GEARS THAT WILL GET THROUGH THE QUARTER MILE QUICKER THAN A MODERN IL4 SPORT BIKE AND TO 200MPH! My bike was built by Terry Galagan (former AMA crew chief now working for...you guessed it Buell itself...You know Erik Buell, John Flickinger, etc?) to show off just what they (Hal's performance advantage) could do with these bikes in a (barely) streetable state of tune. Do you really believe that you somehow just lucked into more knowledge than what countless hours of real world and dyno testing have netted REAL engine builders around the world? ***PLEASE,tell me that you aren't that Naive and full of yourself*** Put up or shut up time came and went. I think firemanjim would've been happy to compare time slips from Bonneville.  I saw him at homecoming and we discussed your mystery Buell. We had a good laugh, thanks! Don't go away mad, Just go away. While this kind of baseless self promotion may be the meat and potatoes of the japanese sport bike boards it isn't here. | ||
| Diablobrian |
I forgot, from my first paragraph (for those that need the subtitles) the reason the speedo won't go any higher than it does stock no matter what final gearing you run is because the engine will not spin any faster, and therefore the transmission output shaft will not spin any faster...see, because they are coupled together by the primary drive.... Oh yeah, and on No_Rice's challenge, my money is on No_Rice and the bike he would use.  | ||
| Ridrnkink18 |
you also realize that if the speedo turns of the output shaft...and u put a smaller tooth rear sprocket on the back...your gauge will not be accurate to begin with...im not full of myself or naive...its common sense that u put smaller sprcket on back...more top speed...you put bigger sprocket on back...more acceleration..so your whole theory on the speedo is wrong...if you put a 30 tooth sprocket on the rear..which would be wayyyyyyy over doing it because it would take forever to get up to speed...the bike would go over 200 if you have the power.. as jramsey stated "oil line blew and I had to ride another mile" Oil pump,cams,cam bushings would be toast along with the rods and mains. this is why im taking apart the engine...id rather be safe than sorry. it would be stupid of me to just put a oil line back on and go ride again because than i chance breakin down somewhere and spending alot more money...diablo obviously is full of himself when he has no common sense on how final drive works...if you ride a buell get the sprocket conversion and try different teeth on the back sprocket...i put a 45 tooth on the back and the bike would only top at 145...when i have the smaller sprocket... 145 is as easy saying your wrong..stop with the personal attacks and smart ass comments...just make yourself look bad..and i do not have to rush into proving anyone here wrong...wen i turbo the bike...o and fireman jims bonneville bike...has the same amount of body work restriction as just about any buell..he might have it slammed to the ground but if he can do 202...i can do 200. | ||
| New12r |
fireman jims bonneville bike...has the same amount of body work restriction as just about any buell..he might have it slammed to the ground but if he can do 202...i can do 200. | ||
| Ridrnkink18 |
go aheaddd laugh it up i dont blame everyone for doubting it...but it will happen im set to get my buell to go that fast and i think im going to..but wen the time comes it will get posted on the forum | ||
| Jramsey |
Snkkpr01 Your comment on the Special Olympics is tasteless and very insulting to the mentally handicapped of the world. Don't believe for a minute any of them asked to be born with mental impairment because they had no choice in the matter. Not all of them are unproductive second class citizens as you seem to believe. Ridnkink18 Have fun with the cougar.  | ||
| Ridrnkink18 |
and diablo....where do you come out saying anything about not knowing how to build an engine...i obviously have the knowledge to build the bike low compression what idiot putting a turbo on any vehicle wouldnt...i already built and sold two porsche 944 turbos, which i actually swapped in ls1 to it...and one i built was a turbo ls1...and that car was the most badass car i have ever got into...my boss has a supercharged viper with full exhaust, chip, and cam...and i actually pulled on him!!! If your into cars and like a lot of power go ls1!! back to the fact of the bike...did anyone ever consider havin the trans built for a higher gear ratio? | ||
| Iamarchangel |
Loving this thread. Every once in a while the guy says something that makes it sound like he's got something. And he isn't backing down, cool. Personal experience: in a mx race, came dead last off the line but the rest of the field went down in two corner crashes. I came out first. I was never that fast but I lead the race for several laps. Most spectators never knew what happened just that I was outrunning the national champions. So flukes happen. Buddy back then designed a water cooled engine and a water injection system on his own. Won everything though water injection would have been illegal. I invented a transmission kill that I never marketed, famous wrong turns in life, now used in racing transmissions. Road racer buddy's factory mechanic couldn't resolve holed pistons until I showed him razor edges on valve indents. Round them off, no hot spots, and won the national series. I don't get the credit for that. I've spent enough time with engineers to know, not to discredit them, that there are as many fortuitous discoveries through "crash and burn" as there are through math and formula. I'm really hoping he's got something here. | ||
| Ridrnkink18 |
atleast someone can sort of back me up!! i am not just making things up guys i want to complete my turbo system first i have my garrett on the way and its all fun and games from there...and hopefully it comes out succesfully i will give every single detail on how i completed it so that mayb even you can do the same to your bike. mayb ill start a new trend on makin xb's the new fast bike to get... | ||
| Skinstains |
Has anyone thought of applying the "fluid friction drive" to a turbo-charged bike ? I know the FFD works with diesels and many diesels are Turboed. | ||
| Diablobrian |
Yeah, I know nothing, I only have 18 years experience on you working on everything from Steam turbines, gas turbines, diesel engines, Alcohol burning big block chevies, pit crew for (actual not theoretical) racing Buells, I'm a machinist, welder, and electrician that has done work for both General dynamics and Solar turbines and all of that is before I decided it was time to go back to school for my degree. I am one of the most motivated people you will ever meet, and I know about doing the "impossible" (Try "you're never going to walk again so you might as well get used to being in a wheelchair or hospital bed" on for size some time) however your theories on the rear sprocket making the output shaft spin faster are just laughable. Output shaft speed and crank speed are tied together with NO room for change except through the use of the gear box or primary sprockets. IF you had an overdrive 6th gear then your speedo could show a higher top speed, but since you claim that your primary and transmission are stock....do the math. Also there is no way you can compare the aerodynamics of an rr1000/1200 with those of an XB. Not even close, and there is also no way that you can figure that you're putting down the kind of power his turbo bikes do. It isn't happening, even on race gas and you are talking about pump gas. You need to spend some time in a dyno room earning your stripes before you think you can talk down to me. Unlike many who hide behind the internet who I am is no mystery, and I'm the same person whether I'm posting here or talking face to face. I don't make claims based on what "it felt like" I post actual dyno runs, but I guess that doesn't leave much room for chat room posturing. I guess I'll have to go out and ride my bike, you know... this one: http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/384 2/148752.html?1192826787 check my profile if you want pictures. Yes, I'm damn proud of where I come from and what I overcame to get here. I'm one of the very few motorcycle riders that you will ever meet (much less 38 at 38yo) that has handi-capped plates on his bike. You just keep on digging that hole, China can't be that far down, you just need the right gear ratios! Question though, since hitting 200 is as easy as slapping on a different set of gears, why did it take Kawasaki years to come up with the zx14 and why hasn't Yamaha come out with a 'busa killer by putting new sprockets on an R1? seems like a no brainer to me. I guess the guys with actual degrees and DATA should bow down to you since they obviously never thought of it. You have never been in the pits with a serious Buell racer or you'd know that when we go racing we go with a whole pile of sprockets to change gearing for the track, this is common practice, not some secret known only to you and a Tibetan monk. Same goes for every discipline of racing from LSR to NHRA. Another thing: I found the special olympics comment offensive. Most people have NO IDEA what it is to have to work as hard as some of those athletes have to. I know I took a lot for granted before my accident changed my life. (Message edited by diablobrian on July 09, 2008) | ||
| Diablobrian |
"it will happen im set to get my buell to go that fast and i think im going to..but wen the time comes it will get posted on the forum" What happened? I thought it already went that fast? maybe your boss' viper was towing you. If you had anything, like a dyno sheet, a 1/4 mile time slip in the 10 second range, anything to prove your claims you'd have a much different reception here. What we've gotten is a lot of talk about your buddies this, and your boss's that, and "may b im just lucky" and it just doesn't wash when your claims run contrary to what every pro racer and Buell builder on the planet knows and has been working on for 5 years now. Your claims are very incredible and therefore require incredible proof. In the real world "it felt like there was a lot more in it does not win you a 200mph club hat at Bonneville or with the ECTA, and "I out ran my buddies 600 so I can out run all IL4 600s and 750s" just doesn't wash. That's why many here upon realizing Hammer lived semi-near you and has a gsxr600 were so eager to get the two of you together. Proof is what they were after, nothing more. So when your bike suddenly popped an oil line and was torn down that very day are you really surprised that some people would be even less inclined to believe you? It sounds like the classic "my big brother could beat up your big brother" on the playground. No one pushed you to make your claims. All we did was ask that you back them up. Talk is cheap, and you have not earned a reputation with anyone on the board yet. So tell me again how unreasonable we are all being questioning your claims....really, it'll be funny... | ||
| Diablobrian |
First off You were the one making claims based on your speedo, not me. I told YOU that it was not accurate if you changed final drive. What it cannot do is indicate anything other than what the stock ratios would produce at red line. YOU claimed that YOU saw it way past 160 all the time. I'm guessing you thought it was reading off of the front or rear wheel when you made those claims. You shot yourself in the foot there. If your trans has higher gears who hobbed them for you and who clearanced the cases? I'd love to talk to them. Hobbing gears is time consuming and expensive (I should know I used to do it) and without the trapdoor in the cases it requires splitting the cases and cutting clearances for the new gears, altering/moving the speedo pick up etc. many of us have looked into a taller final or a 6 speed transmission over the years, but changing the final drive sprockets is much more cost effective so by saying that you have taller gears in the transmission and final drive you really call your own intelligence into question. Why go chain if you did the transmission? why do the transmission if you already had the chain? According to you your motor is stock with a bolt on big bore kit,cams and "luck". Owning a turbo 944 does not make you a tech. My wife owned a Saab 900 turbo before I met her and she isn't a tech either! (Message edited by diablobrian on July 09, 2008) | ||
| Olinxb12r |
Here is the deal. It is impossible for your bike to go as fast as you are claiming it will. It does not have the power, and if it did it wouldn't survive it. Buell engineers themselves couldn't come up with the "facts" you are saying about your bike with the XBRR. So a factory backed race bike couldn't come close, but you did it on pump gas? Have you ever heard the saying if it sounds to good to be true it is? We have all been in the same spot you are, at 20 years old, thinking we know everything, and you are taking all of this the wrong way. We are trying to keep you (and us as fellow Buell owners) from looking stupid by saying this to someone else that knows how to ride. I would encourage you to go find yourself someone in one of the local bike clubs that has done track days on a 600 and tell him you want to race. You my friend will be in for a rude awakening when you are watching nothing but tail lights. If you want to prove that you are a god of engine building at 20 and able to out perform people that have been building these engines for longer than you've been alive, post a dyno sheet. The 45 degree, air cooled V-twin is not capable of attaining your claims period. Post a dyno sheet or find someone that knows how to ride on a 600 or 750. Your friend is a squid that can't ride for shit if he can't wax you on a 750. | ||
| Slaughter |
I'm tempted to post here but I'd be over-stating the obvious... | ||
| Iamarchangel |
I got a few questions. Respectfully, because, Diablobrian, we have similar lives. Welder, licensed mechanic, machinist's mate (old term) before I got my degree. And a racing injury that they said I'd never walk from, but I can't believe they said that. It just took pain and time, wasn't that serious. Not like other people's injuries. Got the bit that the speed sensor is on the small sprocket. Weird, but it's a way. Now, you're saying that the speed is limited because the rpm is limited electronically. Is that right? Makes sense if it is that way. So, if the rpm limiter is adjusted upward that means the speed can increase. Is that right? And at a certain point everything blows apart. So, main question, could this guy have a total fluke limiter that lets him go faster than belief. Seem to be a lot of negative issues with the '08 electronics, maybe this one works in his favour. Side question, because you made me look at the manual on the speed sensor and it indicates that the speedo is not a legal standard (what do I tell the cops?) and has a lot of variation: how dirty would the sensors have to be to screw up and give a miracle reading? All this is asked respectfully. And for those who spoke up for the Special Olympics, good on you. | ||
| Ducxl |
Crazy thread. And at a certain point everything blows apart. but my 996 will run to almost 12000 rpm. I don't think it will do 200 though. 165? | ||
| Snkkpr01 |
Go back and read it now. If I offended anyone I am sorry. I would be willing to bet that your are not handicapped. Diablo, I understand that you have a physical disabilty as does my father. It was not pointed towards anyone other than the fact that this thread has turned into the biggest PISSING match I have seen on these boards. I have also spent more than a month reading all the threads here before posting. I say again THIS THREAD IS USELESS WITH OUT PICTURES. Darin |
