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Birdy
Posted on Sunday, July 06, 2008 - 11:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Well that's what it looks like anyway. I know it's water mixed in the oil BUT I changed the oil less than a 1000 miles ago and the was no sign of it then.

I did get caught in a driving rain storm just after changing the oil. BUT how could that much water have found it's way in and where would it have come in. More importantly how do I stop from happening again?
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Jlnance
Posted on Sunday, July 06, 2008 - 11:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The only way I can conceive of it getting in is down the clutch cable. Some people suggest zip tying the adjuster boot to keep it from entering there. I don't have pictures so I can't elaborate on that recommendation.
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Johnnylunchbox
Posted on Sunday, July 06, 2008 - 12:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

You can ziptie the cable adjuster boot, or I've even heard of people packing it with grease.
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Birdy
Posted on Sunday, July 06, 2008 - 12:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Thanks guys Zip Tying it now. Should I do just the top or both upper and lower ends of the boot?
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Djkaplan
Posted on Sunday, July 06, 2008 - 01:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Is your trans vent kinked?
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Sunday, July 06, 2008 - 01:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I'd do both Birdy. The top can allow water running down the cable in. The bottom can allow water being thrown up from the rear wheel in.

Do you take short hop commutes on your bike?

If so, the Primary fluid won't get up to a temperature that allows the cooking off of condensation.

If you do lots of short hops, I would recommend changing your fluid more frequently.
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Birdy
Posted on Sunday, July 06, 2008 - 01:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Thanks I do take short hops BUT I also do long ride 100+ miles. As it feels at time as I'm sitting on a stove I would think that any water would boil off.

I just changed to syn oil and change both every 3000 miles.

I'll check the vent hose in a few mins.

I don't see how the rear tire could throw anything up in front of the motor. but the front tire...yep I can see that! I'll pack it with grease and zip tie the bottom too.
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Barnyard
Posted on Sunday, July 06, 2008 - 01:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I have "milked" my 4-wheeler lots of times. it does not take much water to milk them I would put some cheep oil in it run it let it get warm and then put the good oil in. if it is still milkey run another cheep batch throe before u put in the good stuff.
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Cityxslicker
Posted on Sunday, July 06, 2008 - 01:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

and salsa in the airbox
Next on Martha Steward, creative ways to picnic on your Buell for the summer
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Birdy
Posted on Sunday, July 06, 2008 - 01:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Don't laugh to hard CityX. The guys on Car Talk had her on their show once and she cook chicken on the motor! HMMMM 30 weight my favorite!
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Jlnance
Posted on Sunday, July 06, 2008 - 02:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I'd do both Birdy. The top can allow water running down the cable in. The bottom can allow water being thrown up from the rear wheel in.

I've been wondering about this. Water can get in at the clutch cable opening, where it attaches to the lever. You can't do much about that. If you ziptie the bottom of the adjuster boot, you ziptied the water inside. But if the wheel can throw water up there, well it needs to be sealed. Ideas?
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Sunday, July 06, 2008 - 05:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

but the front tire...yep I can see that!

Damned fat fingers. Rear of the front tire is what I meant.
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Sunday, July 06, 2008 - 05:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I've been wondering about this. Water can get in at the clutch cable opening, where it attaches to the lever. You can't do much about that. If you ziptie the bottom of the adjuster boot, you ziptied the water inside. But if the wheel can throw water up there, well it needs to be sealed. Ideas?

Someone posted up a part for a clutch cable boot from a Honda CR or XR that fit perfectly. I would think that that would prevent most of the water.

I don't think you can make the system completely water proof, but I think if you can prevent most of the moisture intrusion and boil the rest off, you should be fine.}
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Sunday, July 06, 2008 - 05:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I have "milked" my 4-wheeler lots of times

"I have nipples, Greg. Could you milk me?"
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Cityxslicker
Posted on Sunday, July 06, 2008 - 06:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

crotch rocket chef, its just rocket fast. Cooking at miles per hour.
http://www.12voltaccessoryoutlet.com/catalog/pc/vi ewPrd.asp?idcategory=65&idproduct=811
Get your motor runnin'
Head out on the highway
Lookin' for a dinner
Or a snack on the roadway
Yeah Buellin' gonna make it happen
Put the burrito in a stove box
Fire all of your bikes and run
Don’t let it explode into space

I like Chips and Salsa
Heavy meaty gravy sauce
Breakin' with the wind
And the feelin' of indigestion
Yeah Darlin' go make dinner happen
Take out be damned, I got my oven
Fire off my engine at once
Preheat down the road and race!

Like a true galloping gourmet
We were cooking, cooking to eat



(Message edited by cityxslicker on July 06, 2008)
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Jlnance
Posted on Sunday, July 06, 2008 - 09:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I noticed a nice feature when I took off the primary cover to do the XB9 primary conversion. The "goop" only sticks to the inspection cover. It does not stick to anything else in there. I don't know if it was designed like this, but it's certainly convenient.
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Etennuly
Posted on Sunday, July 06, 2008 - 09:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I believe the "sour cream" was more aptly named last year in a thread with a title like "creamy paste". Something to that effect. We need to keep the offending problems contained within the same name so as not to confuse consumers of mass quantities on this here board.
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Sunday, July 06, 2008 - 10:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Yes, there are two types of covers. The "paste" adheres to the cover designed specifically for it.

"Sour cream" only adheres to covers composed of compressed chives.

"Mayonnaise" only adheres to covers composed of compressed club sandwiches.

You will have to check your cover to verify the correct part number. The cover designed for "sour cream" ends in a C. The "mayonnaise" model ends in CS.

An incorrect part number will result in your "paste" being "on the side". This will result in your bike being deemed "high maintenance" and will require additional add ons like dirt remover and chrome polish.

The good news is that even if the incorrect cover is used, your primary fluid will still smell like crap.
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Aj06bolt12r2
Posted on Sunday, July 06, 2008 - 11:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Haha, thats sum good shit cityslicker! you got me to laugh out loud with that one... now everyone else in the room is lookin at me with a blank stare...thanks... kinda like what happens every time I pull up to a gas pump
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Sunday, July 06, 2008 - 11:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

CS,

I think you have just found the additional accessory I need to bleed off the extra power from my stator.

That, and I can make a bitchin' butt roast.
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Cityxslicker
Posted on Tuesday, July 08, 2008 - 05:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Its what happens when insomnia, caffiene, too many Alton Brown shows and an off kilter personality meet the keyboard on a slooooow day.
Some where I had a version about HOG members and donuts, that one got me in trouble locally

**** Found it ****
Posted on the local sport bike thread

Get your motor runnin'
Head out on the highway
Lookin' for a buffet
And whatever comes our way
Yeah Darlin' gonna go for seconds
Take a spoon and eat all the macncheese
Fill all my pockets with cocktail dogs
Hope they dont explode in place

I like smokey hickory rib samwiches
Heavy gravy smothered biscuits
Eatin' with both hands
And the feelin' that is indegestion
Yeah Darlin' go make it happen
Take the buffet with no prisoners
Eat all the hoursdesvours
And ask for more appetizers

Like a true gallopin gourmet
I will eat, eat to be filled
Get my glucose so high
I might even hafta die

Ride to be eating
Eat to be riding..

(Message edited by cityxslicker on July 08, 2008)
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