| Author | Message | ||
     Bigb1975 |
I live in California. Yesterday I was about to put on offer on an out of state low mileage XB12S I found on the internet. By chance, I saw a thread on this site about not being able to register your used bike in California if its not 50 state compliant or, if used, if it has fewer than 7500 miles. Setting aside the stupidness of this California rule, my question is how can I tell if a particular used bike is 49 state compliant or 50 state compliant? I read that the DMV can tell by doing a check on VIN. Maybe I'm being overly cautious, but I could see a situation where I buy a bike from someone living in California, but the bike is not 50 state compliant. I guess this could happen if someone bought the bike new in another state and then moved to California (and got registered under that exemption). On the flip side, it seems possible that someone living in another state might have a 50 state compliant bike for sale (e.g. maybe the bike was originally purchased in CA and then made its way out of state . . .). At any rate, while I'm shopping around is there a surefire way for me to tell if a particular Buell is going to be okay? Thanks. Jason | ||
| Midknyte |
Making an XB compliant I think is really only just the addition of the carbon canister. Well, physically compliant - that does not change the fact that your VIN will show that it is not mfr'd for Cali. Convincing a particular registration facility that you've made the needed change will probably be harder than just finding a bike with 7,500 miles on it... How many miles did this bike you found have on it? | ||
| Bigb1975 |
Bike has 4500 miles on it. I don't really want to waste time DMV shopping or trying to persuade a DMV clerk. I understand that I could add the right carbon canister, but I still have a feeling that the robots at the DMV will ding me because of the VIN number. Then what would I do? | ||
| Randomchaos |
Any way you could have a dealership install the canister, that way you can show them documentation that it has been converted to cali standards? | ||
| Semirgdj |
No matter what... If the bike is from out of state, it has to have over 7,500miles on it to register in CA. I have been through this several times. I actually had a bike I bought in CA then took it to Colorado and registered it there, then when I brought it back to CA, they wouldn't register it because it was then considered "out of state" I even had the original sales ticket and CA registration and they wouldn't do it. AND the bike STILL had the carbon canister on it... which didn't matter. So what I did is just ride untill it got over 7,500miles. It's a useless law really, a "catch 22" GOOD LUCK! | ||
| Semirgdj |
By the way I have a mint condition 2003 XB9s low with 7,800miles on it, for sale. It is registered in CA and the registration is paid till May 2009 It looks and runs AWESOME. I live in the Valley about 20min from Pasadena. You won't find a better running Buell for sale in LA. | ||
| Bigb1975 |
"By the way I have a mint condition 2003 XB9s low with 7,800miles on it, for sale. It is registered in CA and the registration is paid till May 2009 It looks and runs AWESOME. I live in the Valley about 20min from Pasadena. You won't find a better running Buell for sale in LA." Hmm. I'll think about it. What about your '05 XB12S? That for sale? I kinda have my heart set on a 12. | ||
| Semirgdj |
Sure, I will sell you my 12s it is a little different/ better, than the picture on this site. The bike has a bunch more upgrades like a Drummer and a bunch of other stuff. 11k and its yours. If you bought this new and got all the work done it would cost over 15k. The XB9 is the same, except stock... and its a 984cc. If you wanna check out the 9 let me know. Check back for a better picture soon. Good Luck finding a bike!!!... and beware of the shady people around LA who sell bikes. Also Glendale Harley has good Buell people that work there...Ask for Josh or Serge | ||
| Leashrn |
OK, help me to understand this. I'm moving back to CA from Ohio where I purchased my 2005 XB12s. It's getting close to having 7,500 miles on it. Is this a problem? Should I stop riding or keep going til >7500 is reached? All I know is CA doesn't 'smog check' motorcycles. Help - I may have to stay here in Ohio and divorce my husband for making me leave MY BIKE! Anyone want a date? Alisha (41 year old, 5'4" 127lbs, 34D, blue eyes, dirty blonde, have cargo trailer for hauling bikes to track days - hate long walks on the beach - screw that let's ride!) | ||
| Xbrfirebolt |
If you are moving into the state of California the 7,500 mile rule doesn't apply. I think all you'll need is proof you lived out of state when it was purchased. Your title will show that info. Good luck! | ||
| Semirgdj |
HERE IT IS: In order to register ANY motorcycle that is from outside the state of California, The bike MUST have OVER 7,500 miles on it PERIOD The CA DMV will NOT register an out of state bike with less than 7,500 miles on it. You will also have to have the bike inspected by the CHP to verify the VIN and the DMV will inspect it to verify the mileage Dump that Husband and I will ride with you! | ||
| Xbrfirebolt |
"In order to register ANY motorcycle that is from outside the state of California, The bike MUST have OVER 7,500 miles on it PERIOD The CA DMV will NOT register an out of state bike with less than 7,500 miles on it." That's not true. If you are moving into the state you're exempt! There's also exemptions for California residents to bring in new bike/car if they had a major problem with their vehicle while out of state and had to replace it. Also if a out of state resident in the military gets stationed in Ca. they can bring their vehicles here and get them registered here. They can be brand new! After they get a Ca. registration, they can legaly sell they with less than 7,500 miles on them. It doesn't matter if the bike is a 49 state model then either. Check the Ca. DMV web site for specifics. (Message edited by xbrfirebolt on June 26, 2008) | ||
| Semirgdj |
"Xbrfirebolt " Well I don't know about the military..... But, GOOD LUCK registering an out of state bike with less than 7,500k. You have obviously not dealt with the CA DMV in quite sometime or ever. If your info is correct, I'm sure you will have alot of fun jumping through the hoops. I wish I could register out of state bikes... it would be alot easier to buy and sell bikes. I have 3 bikes 2 registered here and 1 registered in AZ cause it doesn't have 7,500K on it. | ||
| Semirgdj |
"Bigb1975 " I sent you a PM about that bike on CL. Go see it in person and pay in person. Let me know how it works out and then we can ride | ||
| Xbrfirebolt |
Semirgdj, I've been dealing with the DMV for years. I know what I'm talking about. | ||
| Xbrfirebolt |
What You Need to Know Before Buying a Vehicle from Out-of-State The Bottom Line If you are a California resident and acquire a new car, truck or motorcycle from another state, it must be certified to meet California smog laws in order to be registered here. Aren't All Vehicles California Certified? Not all new vehicles are manufactured to be sold to California residents or businesses. Many manufacturers make vehicles to be sold in the other 49 states. These vehicles (49-State) are made with smog equipment that meets federal emission standards, but not California standards. 50-State or California certified vehicles are made to be sold to California residents. What Is Considered a New Vehicle? California law considers any vehicle with less than 7,500 miles on the odometer when acquired by a California resident or business to be a new vehicle. This holds true whether or not the vehicle has been registered in another state. If you acquire a new vehicle from another state, you may not subsequently drive it to accumulate over 7,500 miles to circumvent the law. DMV cannot accept an application to register the vehicle, and you cannot register or operate the vehicle in California. Exceptions As usual, there are a few exceptions included in the law. As a California resident or business you may be able to register a 49-State vehicle if you: Obtained it as part of a divorce or inheritance settlement. Purchased it to replace a vehicle stolen while you were using it out of state. Purchased it to replace a vehicle which was destroyed or made inoperative beyond reasonable repair while you were using it out of state. Were on active military duty outside California, and you registered the vehicle in the state of your last military service. Check the Label To find out whether a car or truck is California Certified, check the emission label under the hood. For a motorcycle check the headset or frame. The label should read that the vehicle conforms to California regulations, or that it is legal for sale in California. Does This Apply to Someone Moving to California? If you are moving to California from another state, you may register a new federally certified vehicle in California if it was first registered by you in your home state, or for military personnel, in your last state of military service. When applying for vehicle registration in California, you must provide evidence of your vehicle's previous registration and that you were a resident of the other state when you acquired the vehicle. Vehicles Purchased From Out of the Country California has special requirements for vehicles imported from other countries (including Canada and Mexico). It may be very costly and in some cases impossible to modify these vehicles to meet California emission requirements and/or federal motor vehicle safety standards. For example, vehicles manufactured to be sold in Europe (gray market vehicles) less than two years old are not legal for registration or use in California. For More Information Regarding... California residency and vehicle importation laws and requirements, contact the Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV) Technical Compliance Section at (916) 657-6795, or go to Buying an Out of State Vehicle. The California Smog check program, contact the Bureau of Automotive Repair (BAR) at (800) 952-5210. California smog laws, gray market vehicles, and 49-state vehicles, contact the California Air Resources Board (ARB) at (800) 242-4450, by email at helpline@arb.ca.gov, or visit ARB online. Back to Top | Help | Contact Us | Site Map | Technical Support Conditions of Use | Privacy Policy Copyright © 2007 State of California | ||
| Semirgdj |
Like I said before GOOD LUCK! | ||
| Teeps |
I registered a new 49st. Honda here a few years ago. All I had was an M.S.O. and paid invoice with my CA. address. The DMV and CHP inspected the bike; DMV saw it twice! Neither entity said a thing about the bike's emissions compliance or the lack of mileage; it had 400 miles when I started. This was probably just luck of the draw at the DMV. But, the CHP officer, went so far as to ask why I was there for an inspection... Seems the CHP was more concerned with special construction bikes, than those with paper work from a legitimate source. So it can be done. | ||
| Xbrfirebolt |
If you know their rules, you can force them to do as the law says. | ||
| Leashrn |
Thanks xbrfirebolt for the info. Yes I have proof that I have lived in ohio for >11 years and all of our bikes where purchased/titled here. My husband's bike has <2k on it so he will be fine as well. Thanks for the offer of the date semirgdj! |
