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Point_doc
| | Posted on Thursday, June 19, 2008 - 12:18 am: | 
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+1 Blake,
Why is this even on this site?? I found it coarse and repulsive! |
Vdubfro
| | Posted on Thursday, June 19, 2008 - 12:33 am: |
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My days of partying like that are long over now. Everybody has been to a party where someone gets drunk and eats something crazy. No big deal. How's this documentary any different from professional wrestling? Millions if not billions of small children watch that crap every week. Those guys act crazier than bat guano, cut themselves open, beat the crap outta each other, and sometimes drink on stage er... in the ring. So what if this guy comes acroos all wacked out. Guys like Christopher Scum are looking for attention. I grew up with thirty Christopher Scums. Most turned out to be teachers, mechanics, truck drivers, carpenters, computer techs, electricians, Buell riders.... I could go on all night. My point mainly is we have our First Amendment Rights. That lets us say just about anything we want. F the FCC! You guys have your right to hate it and some will love it. You can't believe everything you watch on T.V. Wrestling isn't real.
It's a free country.... you get what you pay for. |
Retrittion
| | Posted on Thursday, June 19, 2008 - 02:09 am: |
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I think the issue is that while we are interested in supporting people in their chosen craft some of us are feeling a conflict because the movie that this trailer depicts may not seem to have any redeeming value to some of us. I don't think this is really about judgment towards the cinematographer personally but more a question about the ethical and social issues surrounding the film and it's wider distribution.
Personally I don't thing something being "reality" makes it intrinsically valuable -- and without some sort of framing by those educated in the relevant fields (in this case psychology and medicine, maybe others) you are not doing much more than watching in fascination as a person wrecks themselves. For all intents and purposes the uneducated in the field are as uninformed after the movie as most of us are when we see a car crash on the track -- yeah we see the crash but since we don't know the particulars of the actual event (driver's focus, thinking, inputs into the controls, external factors, etc.) we are still effectively uninformed.
And the point isn't freedom of speech -- nobody here suggested that it should be censored. People are saying "I'm not interested", "I'm put off by the subject matter", etc. Personally, I think that all the b.s. (un)"reality tv", (not really a)Dr Phil, and the 24 hour infotainment psudo-news stations (Pox, Crappy News Network, etc.) have skewed our culture's perception towards what is actually useful information and what is simply our version of the Romans "Are we not entertained?". We see no issues with the racism, bigotry, sexism, etc in "professional" wrestling or the exploitation and horrid behavior of people being filmed on an island trying to win 1 million dollars by stabbing each other in the backs. This doesn't better us as individuals or as a culture IMO. I'm actually tired of people saying "it's not that bad" -- how about "damn, that's worth keeping" being the new standard.
Then again, look at the quality of those we elect to represent us...kinda makes me wonder sometimes how me manage not to go extinct as a species. Call me a cynic.  |
Corporatemonkey
| | Posted on Thursday, June 19, 2008 - 02:11 am: |
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I clicked the "close window" button about 18 seconds into the trailer.
Why pollute your brain with such stuff?
I can't believe I am agreeing with Blake.
You really shouldn't pass up the film festival circuit. I have association with the film festival industry, it would be your fastest way to get distribution attention. |
Bombero
| | Posted on Thursday, June 19, 2008 - 08:50 am: |
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It is not something that I would go out of my way to watch. I think that there certainly is a market for it, but the BadWeb crowd probably isn't the place to garner overwhelming support.
If Springer and half a dozen divorce courts and Maury Povich, spending his time trying to find out who the babys daddy is, can make it season after season on daytime TV, I think that there is a market for this flick.
On the surface, to me, it is repulsive and a reminder that we all don't live the same way. Hopefully as a piece of "art", there is something greater to be taken from it.
I am in my late 30's, I'm married with kids and a mortgage. I'd hate to see this guy show up at the house to take my daughter out for a date. But he exists, as do thousands more.
Here's a news flash - this guy has existed for many generations, you just may not have known it. Eventually he'll burn out or worse, hopefully not leaving too much destruction in his wake. There will always be someone to replace him, just as he stepped up, maybe unknowingly, to replace someone that went before him.
The Beaver is dead, folks. |
Guzzimon
| | Posted on Thursday, June 19, 2008 - 11:27 am: |
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Believe it or not, "Rebel Scum" is -- in a subversive way -- possibly the most effective anti-drug-and-alcohol-abuse movie ever made.
In fact, a notorious criminal attorney who attended one of our test screenings stated that it should be marketed to educational institutions for this very reason.
I do not necessarily agree with him, as it would take too much out of the movie to "sanitize" it enough.
Yes, it's dark and -- at times -- repulsive, but I think it is a bit like a spoon full of sugar helping the medicine go down. Tempted by the controversial and ribald trailer, the people who perhaps most need to view this movie might well be coaxed into watching it.
So, yes, there is some inherent value to the movie -- even if it for us to say, "There but for the grace of God go I..."
I appreciate all of your input -- good and bad.
Thanks. |
Kyrocket
| | Posted on Thursday, June 19, 2008 - 12:35 pm: |
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Hmmmmm... just watched the whole thing and the first thing that popped into my head was how much this guy looks like the singer from Drivin N Cryin.
That being said, as a rockumentary I am assuming these guys act this way all the time and are not paid actors for a movie. And assuming that assumption is correct (could I be anymore repetitive?) like others have said before it's not for me but someone may dig it. Haven't you ever been to an Easyriders rodeo and seen those people at night. Where are they the other 361 days of the year? This trailer won't remotely surprise anyone who's had any kind of psychology class or training. Takes all kinds to make the world go round. Good luck in your endeavors.
I think my job helps me realize there are a lot of people on "the other side". |
Fung
| | Posted on Thursday, June 19, 2008 - 11:23 pm: |
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can't wait till it comes out. looks interesting. will keep me sober |
Vdubfro
| | Posted on Friday, June 20, 2008 - 12:43 am: |
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Retrittion
Very well said. I appreciate everyones view point. I sometimes like to take an apposing view to help open minds. I don't like to see anyone put someone else down for who they are or what they do. Judgment is what keeps peoples minds closed.
My thoughts on the "subject" in this "documentary" are he is an abused little kid who had some pretty bad role models growing up. Someone thinks they can make money off exposing his crazy antics. I hope they're successful. I hope christopher scum makes it so big that when he goes off the deep end he takes out most of T.V.'s finest with him. He probably grew up watching daytime T.V. If I watched that crap all day I'd go crazy and beat the crap outta myself too.
I find very little redeeming quality in most television programming that is intended to entertain. I feel they insult my intelligence as a human being and don't get me started on advertising.
We see no issues with the racism, bigotry, sexism, etc in "professional" wrestling or the exploitation and horrid behavior of people being filmed on an island trying to win 1 million dollars by stabbing each other in the backs. This doesn't better us as individuals or as a culture IMO. I'm actually tired of people saying "it's not that bad" -- how about "damn, that's worth keeping" being the new standard.
When you say "We" I assume you mean society as a whole. I agree with you on this point. Most of our entertainment doesn't serve a function other than selling products. People have to be told what to buy, how to dress, and how to act. Everyone is told to be unique and original, yet most people buy, dress, and act like what is portrayed on T.V. How confusing.
I digress... I just felt that people were passing judgment and wanted to show some contrast.}
(Message edited by vdubfro on June 20, 2008) |
Retrittion
| | Posted on Friday, June 20, 2008 - 04:33 am: |
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Fair enough Vdubfro, I like some contrarianism as well since it keeps things interesting -- and yeah, the "we" in question meant our culture, though personally I take responsibility for being a member of said society (not implying your or anyone else doesn't or anything, just talkin about me), and taking responsibility for the mess I (if only in the smallest way) help bring about. |
Fastxb12r
| | Posted on Friday, June 20, 2008 - 08:54 am: |
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If I came off wrong I am sorry I didnt mean anything bad towards Guzzimon.I personally dont like seeing reality shows anymore and I dont like scum people as is portrayed in the film.That being said as I believe Retrittion said if you where to have some parts in there with say like psychiatrist's,doctors and other thoughts about what is going to happen if he keeps this up and how to change or help then it would be better as it would not in my eyes promote this behavior but inform others.I havent seen this movie in it whole form so you may have it in there and I dont know.Once again Guzzimon I dont mean any disrespect and to be honest anything this controversial is bound to get you some publicity. |
Freezerburn
| | Posted on Friday, June 20, 2008 - 01:22 pm: |
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I find it amazing that one would have the fortitude to actually stick it out filming these morons. Natural selection does not work fast enough in some cases.
What poor tormented souls.
Not a bad effort Guzzimon, but the cheesy narration doesn't add any cred. |
Guzzimon
| | Posted on Friday, June 20, 2008 - 02:21 pm: |
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Per the "cheesy narration." I can see how you might take it that way, but we were going for an old school 1970's over-the-top vibe in our trailer.
P.S. Just got word that none other than Rob Zombie is gonna have a look-see. Now there's a marriage made in heaven. |
Freezerburn
| | Posted on Friday, June 20, 2008 - 02:35 pm: |
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I am a huge Zombie fan...well used to be. Now just a fan. If the fromage was intentional, well, hey, that's art. |
Hexangler
| | Posted on Friday, June 20, 2008 - 02:35 pm: |
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I can't wait for the sequel! |
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