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Benmarc
Posted on Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 12:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Anybody got or know where I can get a M2 shop owners service manual. The owners manual is a joke.

I'm the new kid on the Buell block and there ain't a service center within 50 miles of me.

I just want to change the oil/filter and the only capacity I get out of the manual is 2 quarts and no further instructions procedures to do a complete oil change...only for draining the tank under the seat.

Could somebody elaborate...
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Daves
Posted on Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 12:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

What year you need it for?
I have 99/00 and a 02 manual in stock.
Price is 56.00 less the "ever popular" 10% Badweb discount.

Ride to the edge!
Dave
Iowa HD/Buell (Buell Cycle Center)
1-800-342-7539 ext 211
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Dynarider
Posted on Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 12:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

There is nothing complicated about it. Drain the tank per your manual. Dont forget to put the plug back in when your done. Remove the old
filter, pour 4 oz of oil into the new filter, lubricate the seal lightly & install the filter. Add 2 quarts of oil to the tank & you are done.
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Mikej
Posted on Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 12:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

You forgot about cleaning up the mess when he removes the filter without a dribble bag or without drainpunching it. ;)

Ben,
The owners manual is just that, an owner's manual. It is not meant to be a service manual. It answers some basic questions and such, but assumes you'll be taking the bike into a dealership for any service work. Basically it's there so that when a dealership tries to charge you for 5 quarts of oil you can point to the section in the manual and ask them where the extra oil went (probably onto the floor when they forgot to put the drain plug back in :) ).

Contact Daves or see your nearest dealership for both the service manual and the parts manual, you may need both. I just wish they'd combine both into one book, it would make things so much easier (and probably less expensive as well).
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Jrainw
Posted on Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 01:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I have a well used service manual for a '99 M2 I don't need anymore, pages all ok just a pretty rough cover. It would have more in common with your M2 than it does with my XB.
How about $25 shipped?
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Benmarc
Posted on Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 01:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

What's wrong with us owners changing all 5 qts. Is it that complicated? I've been changing oil in every vehicle I've owned. Does't take a rocket scientist.

If I drain it all out...Do I just add the 5qts into the tank under the seat...or is there another filler area for the motor as well..or does the 5qts. of oil from the tank makes it way there as it's being filled?...strange animal this Buell... I've got an Intruder VS1400 and an F1..nothing complicated there.

And one last quest. for the group. Any positive or negative issues on using synthetic motorcycle oil...only negative input I've ever gotten about using it was from the Honda dealer..said not good thing to do with the F1.

Geez..5qts. of 10-40 synthetic oil and filter in hands and both tied behind my back...
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Leeaw
Posted on Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 01:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

5 quarts of oil? Max with a long filter would be about 2 1/2 quarts. I, as a lot of other people, use Mobil1 15/50 without any problems.

Drain it after riding the bike around the block and then refill. Usually about 1/2 way up the dip stick is optimum.
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Dynarider
Posted on Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 01:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Ben, I hope you arent serious about the 5 quart deal. The bike only holds 2. Its not a Chevy V8 in there.

I already told you all that is involved in the procedure, if its too complicated I would seriously suggest seeing your dealer.
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Bads1
Posted on Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 01:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Holy crap,5qts??You think if he's having a problem with changing the oil wait till he has to do gaskets everywhere and the oil is shooting out the breather like no tomorrow.
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Benmarc
Posted on Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 01:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

told everyone I was new buell kid (right 56yrs old) on the block..

Hard to believe only 2 qts...my Intruder & F1 take 4.5qts..(1400cc & 600cc)..and Buell 1203cc with only 2 qts...?

Must tax the hell out of the oil..
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Daves
Posted on Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 01:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Since nobody else has mentioned it, make sure you check the oil AFTER the bike is warmed up. Failure to do this will result in putting in too much oil, don't ask how I know this.

Get the service manual,it is worth it's price in gold if you work on your own bikes.

Ride to the edge!
Dave
Iowa HD/Buell (Buell Cycle Center)
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Bads1
Posted on Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 02:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Just kidd'n ya Benmarc.Seriously though do what Dave and other's suggest and get the service manual.It can be as good as gold sometimes.Hey Dave whats the going rate for a manual for my new bike????
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Mikej
Posted on Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 02:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

And turn the gas petcock off when you park the bike too.
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Blastin
Posted on Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 02:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

just remember to turn it back on when running a battletrax course!!
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Daves
Posted on Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 02:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

56.00 less 10% I have some coming but they are not here yet. Want me to save you one?

Ride to the edge!
dave
Iowa HD/Buell (Buell Cycle Center)
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Bads1
Posted on Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 02:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I'll let you know the beginning next week bud.Have some other expense's coming next week so.
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Court
Posted on Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 02:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Bads1: For the record, the XB Service Manual is OUTSTANDING.

The OWNERS manual is not intended to convey more than rudimentary information. A service manual is a good thing to have. I'd suggest a parts manual as well.

Court
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Anonymous
Posted on Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 03:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Really, an F1 holds ~4300cc of oil? That is a very large amount. I am surprised. In any case, Buells have separate oil for the engine while the imports lubricate clutch, engine, and transmission with one single oil supply (can you say contamination?) Also the Buells are dry sump with a remote oil tank, which keep the oil from sitting all in the engine and hot soaking.

So, don't worry about holding less oil, it'll be fine. Also, whatever you do, don't add too much, or it'll be squirting out every orifice! And make sure to run your engine then shut off before checking oil level, because if the bike has been sitting, some of the oil can seep into the crankcase sump.

Normally, it's not a problem, because as soon as the motor is fired up the excess gets pumped back to the tank. However, if you check your oil and top off the tank when some of it is in the sump, when you fire up the bike, you'll have too much oil, which comes out vents, etc. in a very messy way. A classic line when this happens..."I've just had my oil changed and now something's really wrong with the motor, 'cause it's leaking oil everywhere..."
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Daves
Posted on Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 07:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Manual is on it's way!

Ride to the edge!
Dave
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