| Author | Message | ||
     Ochoa0042 |
Im ready for the ECU upgrade, what are the number increases? to the wheel... ~side note - what are the stock numbers for a XB12R to the rear wheel? | ||
| Laserred |
Well, American Sportbike's exhaust dyno test showed 1.2HP and about .9ft-lbs from the Race ECU. Personally, there are several things I'd do before the ECU... breather reroute, open up the airbox lid, you can swap mufflers, synthetic fluids, etc. Depending on your mods, it might be more effective to get a custom program burned and installed onto your stock ECM with something like ECMSpy or DirectLink.... | ||
| Xoptimizedrsx |
save the money dont buy a race ecu. i have the data you can get for free to convert it to a race buy manually moving the data in your stock ecm. you cant just burn the race data to it but you can make all the pages match. just not in the eprom file itself. as its two different chipsets. you can get both free all ecms are on my information page. xoptiinside.com now use the saved money to buy a cable. get a few needed mods like a catchcan and open air box. new pipe/header. you cant beat making a stock ecm have the data read like a race ecm. then they work the same. heck i'll even give you the main codes to apply for you pipe upgrade to remove the actuator completly and rename the ecm as a race. we do this all the time for people to allow then to get more mods cause the ecms are simple to us. last i looked a race ecm will cost you aprox 200.00 shiped. our way is a cable 40.00 now you never pay for tps resets either another 40 saved now your at 0 again. so it just paid for itself that fast. so yur new data i have for free thats 200.00 saved rolled into a filter and open airbox mod and or catch can. your ahead of the gaime before you start. all my data is for ecmspy. on the site there is every ecmtype except the 07 race ecm for the xb12. i need that one still as all my copies have been tinkered with. i only post true 100% un adjusted maps. the base files in tps and run times as well as runs to last error data will always very but all is resetable after the upload. or just use the values to correct your map. mike | ||
| Hogs |
Xopti.... Send me one of them cables will ya... Thanks buddy... | ||
| 2vulgar |
Xoptimizedrsx - How do I get my hands on one of these cables and programs? Can you send me an email with the info? vulgar_2(@)yahoo.com (minus the ()) | ||
| Retrittion |
+1 on all of the above suggestions! I need a cable too -- send me one as well please! I'm sorta surprised American Sport Bike doesn't carry them actually. Also, could you include some info on what you mean by the airbox and catch can and the reasons for both in PM? I don't want to hijack the threat but I'm curious... Cheers! | ||
| Ochoa0042 |
Xoptimizedrsx // MIKE , my email is ochoa0042@yahoo.com, shout out here what is needed to program a stock ECU, and what is needed for the cable & ecm modulation (simple laptop ok?) is the cable you're talking about a USB to bike...? | ||
| Retrittion |
Laptop or Palm for data logging, a special cable to hook up the computer to the bike (people make them), and ECMspy which is a freeware (last I checked) program. Lets you work on the bike and do whatever -- like the TPS reset or getting the bike to run well with a K&N and a aftermarket pipe. Let me know if I missed anything... | ||
| Ochoa0042 |
im no computer remapper!!, i had enough trouble with my dirtbike's carb, how am i goin to do this?... is there a computer program I need, and a all-in-one dyno in a shoebox kit, lol? | ||
| Mr2shim |
All I have to say is, I love EcmSpy. God I love it.... That with datalogging + megalogviewer = true love. Spending the 30 bucks on the cable is WELL worth it. Many times over. I just need the K&N, and race muffler to go along with it.  To the apove post. If you use Megalog viewer It has this VE analyzer that analyzes your map and ride data everytime you do a data log with EcmSpy. If you don't unerstand read the tuning guide that omes along with EcmSpy when you download it. **I'm in no way a expert tuner** Xoptimizedrsx gives the best advice on ecmspy IMO If he doesn't have anymore cables in stock, you can build one yourself. It's retard easy. (Message edited by mr2shim on May 25, 2008) | ||
| Xb12mel |
quoting Carlos Mencia...Dee Dee Dee... Now just how do I build the cable myself? Schematic? Diagram? supplier for the connector? does the other end need to be Serial or USB? cause I understand that the serial option requires your laptop voltages to be modified...and I sure don't know how to do that either!!! Thanks for the help!!! | ||
| Mr2shim |
http://www.ecmspy.com/steckermontage.shtml :how to guide http://www.mouser.com/Search/ProductDetail.aspx?qs =3u08Ufv2zkYYX31GRsxlbw%3d%3d This is the cable You can buy TTL-232R-WE which means it's the wire end. No connector, but it's 4 bucks more. http://www.deutschconnector.com/products/deutsch_d t_4-way_connectors.html DT06-4S Asy is the connector. It's plain and simple from there. (Message edited by mr2shim on May 27, 2008) | ||
| Xoptimizedrsx |
i dont sell cables. i posted who has them in the usa. mr2shim posted the links. they are the cheapest and fastest to get them from. as for the race ecms i have posted them as free to download . just dont download a race data into a stock ecm . its a different chip sets. but you can make the maps table values in every map except the eprom file read as the race eprom and you then have the same eprom as a race doing the same thing. the reason why is the chips data are on different lines. but the tables and individual maps can be manually changed to equal which ever you like. for data logging i use a palm. but a laptop is better just more bulky. if you need a laptop try this trick go rent one locally and get damage ins. use it and take it back. dont risk damaging yours plus the rental has a fresh battery. and you can data log and adjust while on the road just pull over analise and re ride. it should be done and really good in a single day. then if you do header and pipe or intake changes go rerent one again. since its a rental you can take it back. then they have to clear it off the windows package. you walk away tuned and at a very low cost. aprox 15.00 a week. hope this helps mike (Message edited by xoptimizedrsx on May 30, 2008) | ||
| Jos51700 |
Don't forget, some gains are not just in "Peak" numbers, but the area "under the curve". The Race ECM has some merit here. Example Dyno chart:  Which makes more power? Red or Blue? Well, the Red makes more power. At it's peak.... The blue makes less power, but across more revs. So, it makes more of less power. Which is more fun to ride? That is a personal opinion. IMO, the red is scary fast, but very peaky, 2-stroke style power. The Blue is closer to Buell power. Saying "American Sportbike's exhaust dyno test showed 1.2HP and about .9ft-lbs from the Race ECU" doesn't tell the whole story. In fact, it's worthless. Where at (What RPM) did the bike make more power with said mods? 1.2 hp at idle, where a bike makes, what, 5? That is pretty good? At peak where it makes 90? Not so good. Was it a back-to-back ECM swap, or a full race kit (which is what the race ECM is tuned for) comparo? These are not parts to swap individually and compare. The "whole package" has to be considered. You could buy the biggest cams in the universe, but if the ECM (and the rest of the "Package") isn't tuned appropriately, then your results will be dismal. There is no one "trick" ECM setting. Each bike, combo, and setup is different. | ||
| Jos51700 |
"it might be more effective to get a custom program burned and installed onto your stock ECM with something like ECMSpy or DirectLink...." Truer words were never spoken. I'm liking this xopti individual, so far. I don't know how good he is at tuning, but he's right-on so far... | ||
| Xoptimizedrsx |
jos is so right every bike is different. wear pattern and even the tq settings on the bolts on moving parts make a difference. a street motor has different ruls as a race motor thats going to be pulled apart every week. i hate seeing peole sell ready made maps that say its good to go. all maps are different there might be perfect base core files that are working on bikes but every single fuel map will differe as well as a few other parts. most are unnoticable on the street and will not hurt a single thing. i run a blue line on my bike its stable fun and works. i can make a red line for dyno drag days but its jerky and not as stable. thankfully the ecm is layed out to get both within limits. as my wot is boggy in low rpm but 5000 up its great. if you put my bike on a dyno and do a old school 4th gear spin up from 2000 rpm it will read like crap. but do a gear run you will see its actual readings. i tune it to ride not dyno run. so many tune in one gear. hello the bike has 4 more. stack the tuning to where you ride in the gears and the bike will be smooth and more responsive. who takes off in any car or race car in 4th gear. no one does. they tune it to get going then shift the 4500 up rpms are tuned to top gears the 4000 down are tuned to get to the top gears. this is what the real winners do on the track. dont let old school dyno guys pull your leg. thats why there bikes are always a tad better they stack there own tuning through the gears. and spend the time to do it. where they get you is the time to do it. stacking a tune takes all day. and is costly . till ecmspy came out. you can use it with the sister programs winold demo and megalog viewer. thes all together will do you awsome even if you dont have a dyno the street will get great results. if you have a dyno and a 4 gas sniffer i can help you more as timing will make a big role in smoothing and peeking the tq and power actually saving fuel. while still remaining smooth and reliable. mike (Message edited by xoptimizedrsx on May 31, 2008) | ||
| Teh_nub |
Mr2shim This alternate will work the same since Mouser does not stock/carry the usb port you posted a few months ago. With the exception of cutting the plug off and trimming the shrink wrap back to get enough wire to work with... http://www.mouser.com/Search/ProductDetail.aspx?R= 895-TTL-232R Also, are there other usb cables that would work? Something similar to this http://www.compusa.com/applications/searchtools/it em-details.asp?EdpNo=531841&Sku=A225-1031&SRCCODE= COMPGOOBDF&CMP=OTC-GPRODUCTS Or does the TTL-232R provide a specific voltage to work with the ecm? |
