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| Hogs |
 Thats right Bads1, How time flies eh.. Leave them at it..Good for Sales , I just emailed Kevin on some info for a new Drummer...LoL | ||
| Mcgiver |
I don't think telling someone that they are ignorant is an insult. It just means that they are lacking of a fact or relevant information. I am ignorant of many things, preforming brain surgery for instance. Brian | ||
| Lighting |
Originally I posted the question, all I have to say is "so easy to call anyone names from the comfort of your home and just pushing buttons in the keyboard". Certainly I'm not the one with personal attacks and name calling, however, it give me a guideline of where ignorance come from.  | ||
| Carbide |
Okay, I had a peek, and it looks like he packs 'em with Teflon tape. | ||
| Corporatemonkey |
Can I jump on the bandwagon??? Let's see... My fan is too loud, my stock brake pads suck, seat it too high, seat is too soft, cheese grater is lame, headlights suck, xbr headlighst just melted, bike vibrates too much, battery died, stator died, belt snapped, bike just got toasted by a 600 on the straights, crashed the bike without frame puck - now it's FUBAR'D, tires suck, bike cost too much, had too many americans working on it, Erik refused to personally deliver the bike, no gun rack available, people think it's a 250, insurance company raped me - no dinner first, Fat Bastard hasn't posted a funny thread in a while, Spidy is off to get hitched, Blake blew a fuse, Ferris is too busy schooling squids, Reep is busy building a nuclear bomb out of parts from a 1983 sony batamax he found out back, Court is out meeting astronauts - but won't bring us along, Lost in Ohio borrowed one of Jackbequicks GPS' - but is still lost in Ohio, Notpurples2 is out whoring his new puppy to the ladies, Ulywife's household budget is too tight to just adopt us all, Al is about to have a heart attack from working so much, Glitch is... well a Glitch, Warlizard is moving to more diverse neighborhood, Cityxslicker just got eaten by a alligator after riding through a swamp, No_rice is secretly hoarding low quality UJM bikes. um... um... There must be more, what have I forgotten???  Sometime I really love this place. (Message edited by CorporateMonkey on April 23, 2008) | ||
| Glitch |
Can I jump on the bandwagon??? That's a funny post, I don't care who you are!  | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
Warlizard is moving to more diverse neighborhood, LOL | ||
| Firebolt020283 |
wow that was a very interesting post lol | ||
| Mesafirebolt |
Ummm, I CANT afford the cool things you guys buy but I DO own the tools and have the talent to make my own. I too did a GREAT Deal of R&D to put my pipes together. I've made LOTS of things you guys pay top dollar for, Mine look as good or better and perform the same. Not knocking anyone, I have always heard If you cant buy it make it. That goes both ways, some things arent offered by ANYone and if you want it you gotta be able to design and build it, some things have such a small production run, they are quite expensive and you "one off" is well worth it. My pipe, produced and tested on weekends and after work, didn't have to pay my bills when I was done with it, THATS why mine are less expensive. Its NOT rocket science its more of a fluid dynamics project (I'm personally good at that) I have never heard or personally seen one of Kevin's pipes but if thats the look and sound you want build it or buy it. I personally do not elaborate on the work I do internally, you pay me to mod the pipe not buy my design design, I'm sure Kevin feels the same. | ||
| Xl1200r |
Blake, your comment calling him ignorant was an attack, plain and simple. Think about what you did - called someone ignorant because they stated that they hadn't seen what was inside a Drummer and was curious as to what was going on in there. You called someone ignorant who basically stated that he WAS ignorant to this subject in his original question. If you came to me and said, "Mark, I have no idea what any of these numbers mean on these reports you make. Can you explain them to me?" And my response was, "Blake, you are ignorant. These numbers means more than you can imagine." How is that not rude? I don't want to sit here and name names because I don't want to be thrown in the same boat as anyone else, but for every person in here that I truely appreciate and value as a user of this forum, it seems there are three more who are nothing but a "high and mighty" type who seem to believe they do no wrong and thier actions are above anyone else who uses this board. The kid asked a question. If you can't answer it, then go away. | ||
| Blake |
You're likely right. My bad. Sorry if I offended you Pete. I don't mean the word ignorant as an insult. I'm too ignorant myself of too many things. The vast majority of the public has no idea what it takes to manufacture and sell a top notch product. Your comment struck a nerve. Hope you got some education. The best education on such matters would be to try to go into business and compete. That sorts out the naysayers real quick. | ||
| Lighting |
That's very honorable of you Blake, by the way, I'm a small, modest business owner and also have some education and vast experience in welding and fabricating(American Welding Society member for more than 20 years). Also hold motorsports(NHRA, Nascar) and FAA certifications. Let's move on, I believe perhaps we have all learn something out of this. | ||
| Xl1200r |
Let me apologize for my post as well... I got a little short towards the end there - work is stressing me right the f*** out (see reports mentioned above, lol). Lighting, to wrap this thread up and put it to sleep, I think most can agree that internal mods are probably fairly simple for anyone that can work a welder and a cutting wheels. You pay a little extra for the nice end cap he throws on here, and you also pay for all the trial and error effort that was put into making the pipe exactly into what it is. | ||
| Bads1 |
Actually Lighting you asked because you were curious and most that asked this question is because they are interested in purchasing but have questions. I feel is though that what you stated above about your experience in welding,Nascar and NHRA ETC. which I have no idea what Nascar,NHRA,and FAA have to do with this but OK. You infact should have the experience and knowledge to build a performing muffler from your stock unit without indeed any question's. I'm not trying to nit Pick or insult you just seeing it how I see it. | ||
| Xl1200r |
I've rebuilt countless car engines of all makes and years. Even though I've never been inside an XB motor, I have enough knowledge about rebuilding engines that I shoudln't come here with any questions I might have. I'll make sure I just hire someone to do it for me since I know my money will be going to all of their learning and research and not just the labor. This place is such a joke sometimes. | ||
| Bads1 |
This place is such a joke sometimes. You got that right.LOL | ||
| Blake |
The "place" is not the source of poor information or behavior. Some of the contributors are. | ||
| Firebolteric_ma |
Indeed! I love the R & D stuff. More like gut the can, slap in some packing,a Perforated tube and cut it down. Funny with all the R&D that is talked about for the length of the can, that it just happened to be cut to the correct size to perfectly match up where the rear strap grabs it. Like I said, Not much internal modifications, You pay for the end cap.... Also I would like to thank the amount of guys that have emailed me looking for pictures. That is classic..Rip me and then ask for the info..LOL Anyways I won't be sending anything as that is not why I posted, I was just stating it is a lot of $$$ for the "AVERAGE" person to dish out for a stock can. My point was to be brave and BUILD YOUR OWN if YOU have the resourses/knowledge. I am sure you would have great pride in building something with your own 2 hands. If you have $$ to burn/spend then by all means buy one, Kevin's end cap is very nice. As it should be when a machine builds it for you. This was for the poorer guys like myself. | ||
| Bads1 |
Also I would like to thank the amount of guys that have emailed me looking for pictures As I thought. I asked for them to call your bluff. Your the one that said you had them and you'd post pics....but. Thats a Joke. And as far as end cap. The CNC equipment doesn't cost much to buy,operate,or the time spent so the machine knows what to do??? Another joke. And in some ways you ripping on Drummer with comments like.."If you have $$ to burn/spend then by all means buy one, Kevin's end cap is very nice. As it should be when a machine builds it for you" Thats just uncalled for. Sorry Eric just rude in a way. | ||
| Bads1 |
Sorry Blake | ||
| Mesafirebolt |
The end cap is what I didn't like about his. I personally like the stock looking dual pipes (see my profile pic) but yeah, for the cool sound, all you really need is a cutter and a welder, and drills, grinders, vice, stands, tape measures, blow torch...and the Most important-Vision of how it should be built. | ||
| Firebolteric_ma |
As I thought. I asked for them to call your bluff. Your the one that said you had them and you'd post pics Read again, i said I would post but we all know they would be taken down....Read what I write, NOT what you want to see Dana. YOU called NO BLUFF here Dana... You wanted to see, Or you wanted me to post them, either way I don't see a point with it. How about you cut your SS Drummer and we can trade....I mean if these are your intentions... And in some ways you ripping on Drummer with comments like.. This is all up for interpretation as the Internet does not allow one to show emotion. If I WAS RIPPING Kevin, Trust me you would know....I do not hold back when speaking. "I" feel for what you get it IS a lot of $$$. And I will say it again..THERE IS NOTHING SPECIAL DONE IN THERE....If you can prove me wrong then spit it out, But all I have seen so far is a bunch of smoke and mirrors... This type of "MOD" has been done many times LONG before kevin, and on MANY bikes. You can't possibly think kevin is the 1st to mod a can do you? In NO WAY were my INTENTIONS to rip Kevin, As I said he does nice work and NOTHING can take that away from him. If ripping him by saying it is an expensive price to pay for a stock, modified can, well so be it then. I am guilty as charged. | ||
| Bads1 |
YOU called NO BLUFF here Dana... I asked to send them to my email so they didn't have to worry about deletion.Yet no pic's. How about you cut your SS Drummer and we can trade....I mean if these are your intentions... Why would I want to do that?? You have the proof you said it in pictures. This is my 3rd Drummer. I've had a D&D and the Race Can. Drummer does better. | ||
| Firebolteric_ma |
Umm...... O - K - A - Y..... Your point was What? It took you 5 Mufflers to figure it out? The stock, Modified can isn't the best & all mighty one? I am confused as to your post here... Is it you like to spend money and pick the most expensive one you can get for bragging rights?  | ||
| Mesafirebolt |
If you were to look at ALL my vehicles-boat included, youll see lots of things I've made, they are no better and no worse than something with a nice pretty K&N sticker on the side of it, IF i could melt down an old aluminum rim and start casting intakes I would. I dont think things need to be so expensive but for certain reasons some things are JUST crazy expensive. The amount of hand work I put into my stuff should make them worth their weight in gold but I only charge what I think its worth based on the finished product, doesn't make it inferior-just cheaper. I could have EASILY (Easier than retaining the stock) cut the back of the can off and welded a flat plate with dual outlets BUT for Aesthetic reasons I completely rework it and add another pipe onto the other side to match the stock one. If this thing were for sale on open markets, people would pay hundreds for it, I JUST dont feel its worth 3-4 hundred dollars (Much less $500). I guess growing up on a farm, where if you want something, you have to make it makes a person feel good about what he does. I saw a need for a quality LOW COST option and filled it. It does NOT have a cadillac or BMW sticker on it...and its not shiny...  | ||
| Mesafirebolt |
I guess what I'm trying to say is, WHO CARES what a person has on their ride as long as they like it. I WISH more people would get back to old school "Make it yourself" I Doubt there is anything magic Kevin's pipes, they are pleasing to look at (If you like shiny stuff) no one needs to look inside of one, let the dyno's, your wallet and your ears do the deciding. There is no rocket science about any of this stuff. Just trial and error and what you like | ||
| Blake |
People who just talk are cheap, or as some might say, "a joke". People who earn their own living innovating and creating quality products that perform well are rare. Seeming to characterize Kevin's work as though he merely looked at the stock muffler, made a few cuts and gutted the inside is way out of line, and just plain false. | ||
| Spatten1 |
Yeah, Kevin is using what he learned working for Tilleys, one of the top 883 racing teams. He spends money and time on the dyno to get things right too. | ||
| Ustorque |
in FIREBOLTERIC's defense i was gutting my stock can at the same time he was getting ready to put on his drummer. i had already cut and emptied my stock can and had begun fabbing my new internal setup when i finally got to see the drummer innards(from his pictures) and you know what, i did about 10 minutes of R&D and it was the same! i am a union sheet metal worker by trade and as far as i can figure on the drummer(and i know its nice sounding and performing)the major cost has got to be the cap....there is just no possible way that using an existing piece should be that pricey...if fabbed from scratch now the price seems more realistic, but not for a pipe that was already made. by the way i only did mine cause i was bored i have no intention of running it...  |
