| Author | Message | ||
     Lighting |
Has anyone peak inside one those Drummer modified pipes. I just don't see justifying all the money they charge, it can be that difficult. I know the R & D cost money, but that's a lot of money to charge for a couple baffles inside a stock pipe or theres is something else more elaborate. Please no hate comments it isn't my intention to offend anyone and do respect the fact that they "DO" work and quality is second to none, just curiosity in my part. | ||
| Firebolt020283 |
well u got to realize they repaint, cut it do a lot of welding and rerouting the inside and so on. if you look at all the work they do it really is worth it. | ||
| Firebolt020283 |
check out there website it tells you all the details http://www.kdfab.com/ | ||
| Carbide |
Hey, just buy one, gut it, copy the internals, weld it back together, repaint it, then send it back for a refund, and then post your findings here. I'm sure all of us (including Drummer and the other sponsors) would just love that. That's a pretty ballsy thing to ask for when this wonderful FREE resource you are using is partially paid for by Drummer. Just consider that before your next post. Wow.... | ||
| Bads1 |
That's a pretty ballsy thing to ask for when this wonderful FREE resource you are using is partially paid for by Drummer. Actually carbide it isn't and Kevin has been asked that many times over. Kevin is also the kind of Business man that tells the person what it intales. He could be a paying customer and the next Drummer owner for all you know. Its just business and that question comes up alot. My response is..... buy one you'll be very happy. | ||
| Mr2shim |
I think it's well worth the money spent. They do amazing work from the pictures I've seen. I'm going to buy one as soon as I get the $$$ to also buy the K&N & ECU. | ||
| M1combat |
"My response is..... buy one you'll be very happy." +1 | ||
| Semirgdj |
GREAT PIPE and worth EVERY penny!!! They do alot more work to the pipe than you think. Another good feature is that you loose alot of weight form the pipe. ALSO if you get pulled over with a drummer on your bike... you won't get a ticket because the "DOT APPROVED" is still stamped on the pipe (since it was made from the stock pipe) A CHP pulled me over and looked at my pipe on Sunday and said "yup...its legal, heres the stamp" | ||
| Lighting |
Carbide I don't know were you going with a statement "ballsy", I never stated that I want to copy or downgraded the quality of their work, all I did was inquiry about what they do that make them work so good, read my statement before you past a judgement and for those that inform me I would like to say "THANK YOU", that was exactly what I was looking for. By the way, are the MODERATOR to tell me what I can & can't post?. | ||
| Superfly |
sounds great, looks great, performs great, and kevin is an excellent fabricator. haven't regretted mine once, totally worth the price. | ||
| Blake |
"I just don't see justifying all the money they charge, it can't be that difficult. " Then you are ignorant. A trite, harsh answer, but the simple truth. If you don't see the value in an extremely high quality muffler tha tproduces a well apportioned torque curve with excellent peak HP to boot, then by all means go off and purchase whatever bargain soup can you may find. | ||
| Typeone |
my Drummer is going on its 4th season, still looks and works like new. even years later Kevin had no issue chatting with my dyno guy to help the process along. hands down quality, craftsmanship, performance and customer service. all outta one guy! +1 for Drummer | ||
| Firebolteric_ma |
Then you are ignorant. A trite, harsh answer, Wow! A bit harsh, would you still feel that way if he was not a sponsor? And just a Joe Schmo who made one and showed it on the board? I would HOPE one pays for the end cap, It is a Quality piece for sure, BUT Internally I see nothing Special that one can not do at home with a little fabrication skills & there time. ***Not Knocking kevins work***as lots of people like his stuff. But it is nothing that others have not already done with other mufflers from other bikes.....It is not Rocket Science! OR IS IT?? Basically if it is a good deal for you....get It! It is a good piece! But not everyone can afford one, Some like to fab there own stuff.... They do alot more work to the pipe than you think. Ohh, Do Tell....I have herd this statement OVER and Over with out much detail to back that statement up. YES I do have one that was given to me, I would never pay that for a stock can...PERIOD! Flame On! | ||
| Damnut |
Then you are ignorant. A trite, harsh answer, but the simple truth. Wow not following your own rules??? Terms of Use Participants on BadWeatherBikers.com (BadWeB) agree to affirm and honor the following: I will not post profane or vulgar language, nor will I engage in personal attacks nor in malicious derision in any form of other users of the board. I agree to treat with respect and courtesy all members of this online Buell enthusiasts' community. I realize that there is never any justification to violate this policy, and that if I do, I may forfeit my BadWeB posting privileges. | ||
| Bads1 |
Ohh, Do Tell....I have herd this statement OVER and Over with out much detail to back that statement up. YES I do have one that was given to me, I would never pay that for a stock can...PERIOD! Flame On! Since one was giving to you it doesn't owe you anything. So cut it open and see what kevin does. I don't see anywhere on Kevins site that say's if you don't buy muffler..... option two kevin will show you how to do it. Come on dude a magician doesn't tell how he does his tricks. Fab your own if you can then. I hope it performs well. | ||
| Firebolteric_ma |
You think I didn't open that thing up? It has been opened, And I did make one. It performs as expected, Exactly like the original one, Just without the fancy end cap. I would post pictures, But we all know they would come down quickly... All Smoke and Mirrors~~~Just like a Magician would want it~~~ NOT knocking Kevins work, his work is A-1!! Just do not see what all the hype is over a modified STOCK MUFFLER....Like it is some kind of BIG SECRET.... If there is no secret, and kevin tells you what he does, then one would allow pictures of it correct? Then you could see what you are paying for and make a decision from there weather you would want to dish out that type of $$$$$$$ for the amount of work that is done to it... | ||
| Bads1 |
Then bring us some Dyno's of your bike. That will tell if it is the same. Send me the pics. I'll PM you my email. | ||
| Tattoo72 |
I like to poke the animals at the zoo with a stick. So let me get my stick out......poke,poke,poke....give us pics, pics, pics. lol (Message edited by tattoo72 on April 22, 2008) | ||
| M1combat |
I could care less how much work is involved... You think Microns are hand made or something? The only thing that matters is the power curve and the area under it where I like to ride. No one has any right what so ever to think that they should only pay for the labor involved. I charge my Clients $75/hr and a lot of time is spent just pressing keys on a keyboard. They pay me because they know I make good decisions with their data, it's security and it's reliability. See, I have a lot of faith in saying that if you (fbe_ma) hadn't opened one up it would have taken you a long time to figure out just exactly what size the chamber needed to be. THAT is what you pay for (among other things I'm sure). Have you ever made one for someone else? Have you ever told anyone what the inside of it's like? Have you ever given anyone advice on making their own muffler based on information you got from taking a Drummer apart? I don't expect you to answer that. If not... Good on you. If so... Not so good. IF you have then you need a lesson in honor and what it means to be honorable. Either way... You need a lesson in economics. You see labor as the only thing of value in a Drummer? I say that's because the only thing you see of value that YOU are capable of IS labor. It's hard to look at the world without your own tinted glasses on. Oh and Damnut... Sometimes the truth hurts. It's still respectful and courteous even when it hurts. | ||
| Bads1 |
+1 Don | ||
| Damnut |
Oh and Damnut... Sometimes the truth hurts. It's still respectful and courteous even when it hurts. Are you kidding me??? So your telling me that it is respectful and courteous to call someone ignorant??? What part of nor will I engage in personal attacks don't YOU understand?? | ||
| Hammeroid |
These threads are the best. (Message edited by hammeroid on April 22, 2008) | ||
| M1combat |
I agree  . ______ Yes Damnut... That's what I'm saying. It's like telling someone they have a booger hanging out of their nose  . They do have to actually do/say something ignorant before you can just go randomly spouting off though. Otherwise you're just being a jackass. (Message edited by m1combat on April 22, 2008) (Message edited by m1combat on April 22, 2008) | ||
| Azxb9r |
Wow not following your own rules???  | ||
| Firebolt020283 |
wow a guy asked a question and it turned into a horrible fight. | ||
| M1combat |
No... He said... "I just don't see justifying all the money they charge, it can't be that difficult." The red is my edit. | ||
| Azxb9r |
One thing you get with the Drummer that most people would have a hard time fabricating on their own, is that beautiful end cap. What any product is worth, is what someone will pay for it. If something is produced for commercial sale, the producer needs to make enough to justify his time. With all of the products available that do not function well, it is a little easier to choke down the price if it actually works. You think I didn't open that thing up? It has been opened So what's inside??????? I would also like to know  | ||
| Notmyrealnamedot_com |
while talking about drummers... Can anyone tell me how it effects the gas mileage of the bike? With gas going through the roof, it is a factor to be considered. Thanks, Alex | ||
| Firebolt020283 |
the pipe its self will not change the gas mileage but if you mess with the ecu it will. (ie. race ecu, re map stock ecu, or something) | ||
| Bads1 |
What is this. Like 1,000,000,000,000,000 time this argument has happened. Here it is almost 5 years since Kevin started making these for XB's and its still controversary.lol To Funny!!!! |
