| Author | Message | ||
     T9r |
I followed the procedure for removing the rear wheel and when I removed the axle, the bearing pack fell out of the wheel. It no longer fits snug in the wheel. It looks like I'm forced to buy a new rim. ANYONE have a XB9 silver rim they want to sell??? Even though it is January, I've still been riding the motorcycle here in Maryland | ||
| Prowler |
Hey, there were a couple of XB9 rims on E-Bay. Check them out. Might get one on the cheap...... | ||
| T9r |
And what would a post be w/out photos: The liquid was water.  The bearing pack slips right out.  Anyway to repair? | ||
| Guell |
jb weld it back in place haha! | ||
| Spiderman |
go to a bearing specialties store. Bring in your rim and bearing. They should be able to get or order you a bearing with the same ID and a oversize OD that will press into your rim. | ||
| Clutchless |
+1 on finding that bearing shop So what the hell happened to the bike to make that bearing wallow out like that? Just for my own knowledge anyone gotta clue? I'm not saying T9r did anything wrong, just wanna find out what happened cause I've never seen a bearing do that. Looks like the rollers inside dont rollers no mo. I imagine this was a noticeable failure while riding the bike? or did the noise slowly get louder? | ||
| Prowler |
My guess is that the rusted bearing was hanging up (seizing) and the housing was rotating in the aluminum rim (wearing the hole larger). You're going to have fun trying to find a bearing to fit the wallowed out hole in your rim. You'd need to find someone to machine out your rim to the next std oversize (not a good idea). Best bet, get a replacement rim. Might want to try Buell customer service to see if this has happened to any other XB's and see if they can help you out. I've heard this "rusted bearing" thing has been happening to Uly riders whose bikes supposedly have never seen rain???? (Message edited by prowler on January 02, 2008) (Message edited by prowler on January 03, 2008) | ||
| Ironhead1977 |
Knock the other side out and mic the rim and bearing, It maybe a wrong size bearing-- seen it before. If the rim is wallowed out do what spiderman said. | ||
| Shoredairy |
i'm just excited to see another buell in MD!!! | ||
| Drfudd |
I wouldn't dare use that rim again, It could have worn unevenly, a machine shop may be able to find center again and machine a new hole to fit a new bearing in but personally I wouldn't trust it. Its not going to be 100%, we have a top notch machine shop at work and it takes a lot of skill from the machinist to find true center again. So I would turn it in for scrap metal and find a new rim. | ||
| T9r |
Bearing works w/ no problem. That grease looks like it leaked out of it though. These were recently replaced by HD as the wheels initially came w/ the black bearings. No noticeable failure while riding. I removed the rim to replace the tire. Never done any stoppies either. An interesting failure. | ||
| Teeps |
T9r Posted on Wednesday, January 02, 2008 - These were recently replaced by HD as the wheels initially came w/ the black bearings. Well there you go... back to the dealer that did the bearing swap, ask what they will do for you. They should offer to call Buell and ask for a "Good Will" repair, if they do not. Call Buell CR, yourself and ask what they will do for you. | ||
| Barker |
"These were recently replaced by HD" The biggest problems have had with my buells begin with dealer service. | ||
| Jackbequick |
T9r, If that bearing bore is sound (not all scored up and gouged) and the bearing is a fall in fit but will not rattle from side to side, you can probably save the situation with LocTite Seal and Bearing Retainer. That is a green sealant that will setup and retain a seal or bearing even when there is a thousandth or two of clearance. Degrease the bore and bearing exterior well before applying and then let it set overnight before use for best results. The service life on alloy wheels on motorcycles is measured in terms of bearing replacements. If you're lucky, careful, and have the right tools you'll get about five. If you have the right tools, warm the wheels hubs, and work carefully you can do a little better. As you can imagine, if the person doing the work is ignorant or sloppy, one bearing removal can use up all the press fit interference. I have saved bearing fits in similar situations with the LocTite green stuff. And also by using a one layer, 360 degree, steel shim cut from .0005" or .001" shim stock. Again, the LocTite bearing retainer will add to retaining the bearing. Jack | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
I would seek a replacement through the dealer or BMC Customer Service. I don't think the bearing was pressed in correctly. Sumpin is wrong wit dat! | ||
| Court |
Sumpin ** MAY ** (remember, we're the group who summarily declared two low batteries a plague) be wrong . . . but it's at the dealer level. It' be like me going and kickin' your 5th grade teachers ass cause you can do long division. How did Buell Customer Service become responsible for the sins of the dealer? I'm not trying to be a smart ass but wouldn't the person who made the mistake, the person or the dealership for whom the person was working, be accountable for the error? I mean if Buell sent you a low battery or a bubbled tank . . . well, Buell owns that. Screwing up a wheel replacement seems far afield. Switching to receive. . . . P.S. - I am willing to listen to a reasonable "proximate cause" argument that the dealer would not have touched the bearing absent a need to that emanated from Buell . . . | ||
| Prowler |
My '07 Uly came with redish/orange seals in the rear wheel bearings. Are you sure those have been replaced by a dealer lately? Check the bearing manufacturer/part number (etched on the bearing housing) to see if those are OE parts. If so, there have been a few reports of people having water show up in their sealed? OE bearings. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
How did Buell Customer Service become responsible for the sins of the dealer? Oh, I agree completely. The dealer is the first step. Parts recently serviced by the dealership failing quickly thereafter would tend to either be a faulty part or incorrect procedure. Accidents do happen. BMC Customer Service would only be a secondary/last resort. The dealer, though, IS the point of the spear for BMC. Unless BMC begins sending out technicians directly to the field to complete all service, the dealer is the de facto extension of BMC's physical interaction with the "product". I wasn't insinuating any initial responsibility for BMCCS, but if he goes to seek satisfaction at the dealer because he believes he has a good reason but doesn't receive it, BMCCS would be the next step. I haven't had a reason to call BMC. ALL of my issues have been handled at the dealer level. This has not been the same experience others have had. Most of those have had success with BMCCS as a next resort(with a large part of that success being at your hands). Not every issue is an epidemic. I believe there are issues with the BAS. I believe there are issues with the fan. I believe there are issues with the Stator and Voltage Regulator. I believe there are issues with bag latches. I believe there are pinging issues. The BAS had a recall. The latches had better replacements. The Stator was changed in 08. The timing system was changed for 08. The only issue that hasn't had a specific resolution has been the fan. They may have received "better" fans and are using those as replacements. I haven't had an issue in 11,000 miles. This particular bearing issue is a weird case without precident. There have been a few bearing failures, but I don't know that it has risen to the level of some of the other failures. I hope he can get his issue resolved quickly and effectively at the dealer level. (Message edited by ft_bstrd on January 03, 2008) | ||
| Teeps |
Court, I think we (me included) thought this problem was due to a warranty repair. Given the recall on the black bearings and all. I know that recalls are (typically) forever. What I don't know is whether the "forever" part of a recall extends to parts separated from the original vehicle. In this case the wheel. I think that Buell corporate, would be responsible, in part, if this (wheel bearing) problem is due to having the recall repair completed. | ||
| Davegess |
The bearing was NOT a recall as far as I know. Buell issued an updated service interval because the bearing did not last as long as they and us would have liked. The replacement bearing was a free service item. It was not a recall. The reason I make a point of this is that recall has a very specific legal definition and I don't like seeing the word applied to situations were it should not be. | ||
| Saintly |
Teeps, Buell never made the defective wheel bearing a recall. It was only a TSB. And most dealers will fight you about it and charge you to replace them. Odd? Yes, but true. No recall on an admittedly defective part that when it fails could cause the wheel to lockup and possibly kill the rider. When my black wheel bearings failed, it was on my front wheel. It chewed up the seal, then spit the bearing balls out. This caused the wheel to c ock sideways which forced the brake pads to grab the perimeter rotor with great force. My front wheel locked mid turn, and I skidded off the road & slid thru some grass & gravel before coming to rest inches from a guardrail. A shit-your-pants moment for sure! | ||
| Court |
>>>And most dealers will fight you about it and charge you to replace them. That sounds . . and again I am all ears. . . to be in stark contrast to what I have heard here on badweb. Have you all had your dealers fight you tooth and nail on this? It seems odd to me. A recall is not "forever". The company has an obligation under the terms of the recall, which is a written legal contract, to do certain things. The feds are quite well aware of typical response rates and as a result have a provision that spells out in some detail what reasonable effort needs to be expended to contact an owner. Once they have made THAT effort, the CONTRACTUAL obligation ceases. Buell has a long and illustrious history of going light years above and beyond what they are REQUIRED to do. Court | ||
| Saintly |
I have had a dealer fight me on that issue. I do believe I've also read many posts here on badweb from owners who have received the run-around from dealers who did not want to take care of the black bearings. (Message edited by saintly on January 03, 2008) | ||
| Hexangler |
I remember a post a couple months past. Owner was experiencing multiple bearing failures on their front wheel bearings. Turned out that the bearing spacer was under spec due to excessive torque on the axle. Does the rear wheel have this same spacer? Is it on spec? Hex | ||
| Saintly |
Does the rear wheel have this same Yes, a bearing preload limiting tube. Both wheels have it, and it can become "crushed" if the axle is over torqued or torqued too frequently. If it does become crushed then the axle puts too much axial or thrust load on the bearing, which can wipe it out in very little time. | ||
| T9r |
Back in Oct. 2006 I had a front orange bearing fail after 1,500mi after the "Good will" replacement by HD. I since replaced both front bearings w/ non HD bearings and have yet to experience an issue with about 5,000mi on these. I bought an extra axle insert in case they started failing, knowing that a crushed axle insert could be the major cause. I have yet to install it. This rear wheel bearing failure had me rather perplexed. It was April 2006 when the "good will" replacment occured, about 6,500mi ago. | ||
| Davegess |
I had my bearings replaced by the dealer at the first service free of charge and I didn't even have to ask them about it, they just did it. I am sure this is typical BUT we will hear about every instance when it doesn't happen; that's how the world works. | ||
| Teeps |
I stand corrected on the use of the term recall (in my previous post) and the inference that Buell had one on the black wheel bearings, as "they" say... MY BAD. Court, Thank you for clarifying the obligation of recalls. My point was; recalls do have a life of their own, and are not inclusive of the factory warranty. In other words a bike that is out of the normal warranty, could still qualify for a recall repair. Evidently, just not in this case. | ||
| Surveyor |
I remember a post a couple months past. Owner was experiencing multiple bearing failures on their front wheel bearings. Turned out that the bearing spacer was under spec due to excessive torque on the axle. Does the rear wheel have this same spacer? Is it on spec? Hex That was me, after having the original blacks replaced (by the dealer) I had two orange sets fail and then replaced the bearings and centre spacer and have no problems since, but mileage has been limited. Its hard to imagine that the bearings could seize and spin in the hub without being noticed. It sounds to me like the hub was mis machined from the outset and the press fit wasn't tight enough. Mind you heavy handed use of a bearing press or drift could also have damaged the hub.Maybe a bearing made up with an O/S outer race could be pressed into the hub (with minimal reaming of the hub)There is less chance of damaging the rear wheel bearings by over torqueing as the axle tightens right handed unlike the front which can easily be over tightened as many torque wrenches don't 'break'on left handed threads....................assuming of course that a torque wrench was used to tighten the axle in the first place? I have found that the use of the universal (in Ireland anyway) torque setting (no torque wrench required) TAF doesn't work with Buells. NOTE: 'TAF'~ A technical accronym denoting the phrase Tight as F**k (Message edited by surveyor on January 03, 2008) | ||
| Surveyor |
Just had another thought. You could fit a standard replacement bearing using Loctite Bearing Lock and drill a small 2-3mm hole in the joint between bearing and hub then press fit a stainless steel pin in the hole locking the bearing in position in the hub - like a Woodruf key. |
