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Teddagreek
| | Posted on Sunday, December 16, 2007 - 04:06 pm: | 
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I have no problem with giving subsidies most of which are just Tax breaks to farmers... Compared to other countries we don't do enough..
Oh yea Petroleum is subsidized as well...
Whether some people want it or not Ethanol is coming..
E10 is pretty common around where I live.. Hess Plans to have E10 in every station within a year...
I think we should do what ever we can as a country to get off Opecs titty... |
Jos51700
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 19, 2007 - 01:20 pm: |
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I'm not debating the pro's/con's of E85. It has it's value for certain applications, just like every other fuel, part, etc.
As far as never buying/seeing any fuel in an aluminum jug, don't fill your XB. ;)
Cycleaddict;
#1I'm editing my post, my previous comment was rude and uncalled for.
#2 Take a new mindset. I think you've failed understand why people would want to run alcohol (or blends) for racing.
#3 Please get to know me before you assess my attitude or anything else about me. It's not about what we "deserve" in life, it's about what we earn for ourselves.
#4 Any person who doesn't think fuel cost isn't a concern in racing, has never raced.
(Message edited by jos51700 on December 19, 2007) |
Cycleaddict
| | Posted on Thursday, December 20, 2007 - 12:05 am: |
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JOSH i have raced, m/c and go carts. tires was always my biggest expense. racing fuel costs were nothing compared to (transportation) fuel cost. and yes alcohol based fuels will allow a leaner "burn" mixture that allows your motor to make more power (i think 8% power increase was the # ) earn & deserve are very much relative . looks like a duck , smells like a duck, by golly it IS a duck. |
Jos51700
| | Posted on Friday, December 21, 2007 - 11:26 am: |
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Cycledict
More compression=more power
Alcohol allows more compression due to higher octane rating.
The leaner-meaner argument isn't exclusive to alcohol, gasoline is the same way.
Why don't you fill your ride up with some E85, lean it out to the max, and go for a drive?
Oh wait, it takes more (More?) alcohol to produce the same power as gasoline in a given engine configuration.
Maybe you're on the wrong board.
If you want to talk ducks, try these.
http://www.ducatisuite.com/links.html
http://www.ducatimeccanica.com/
http://www.desmoducati.org/
As for me, I'm done trying to explain it to you. |
Sloppy
| | Posted on Friday, December 21, 2007 - 02:21 pm: |
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Look up the stochiometric ratio and heating value (HHV) of gasoline, diesel, ethanol and nitromethane. Wiki will likely have it.
That will make it clear. It's not just the energy of the fuel that's important, but how much of the fuel you actually get to burn. |
Jos51700
| | Posted on Friday, December 21, 2007 - 03:15 pm: |
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I would like to offer some insight that I need to correct some of my previous posts. E85 is apparently slightly corrosive to pure aluminum, but not so much to aluminum oxide (or anodized aluminum).
This article has a nifty chart with some clarifications.
They also discuss electrolytic corrosion properties which may be where more of the horror stories come from.
http://www.engr.unl.edu/~ethanol/unl-sae2.pdf |
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