| Author | Message | ||
     Cwxb12r |
I'm debating on buying and installing a D&D slip-on, race module and K&N filter on my 07 XB12R. I have a few questions though. I've read a 100 posts on exhaust systems for Buells and I know the choice is mine in the end, but opinions never hurt 1) I'm going for deep sound and good power from low-high RPM. I like loud and obnoxious exhaust, but I don't want to lose power. Is this the best choice? 2) The only race ecm I could find is the race module for $210. It looks like it plugs into the existing ecm. Should I be purchasing something else? 3) $787 for parts and ECM reset. Price is not really an issue here, but I would like to know if this is a Bad deal or not. 4) Any known issues with installing the D&D on an 07 XB12R? 5) Anything else I should be looking at? | ||
| Nickcaro |
Take a look at the Original Drummer. You will find plenty of posts here on it if you do a search. My understanding is that the D&D is much louder and that extra noise will cost you performance. | ||
| Jackelfox |
i've had a d&d, it is an impressive mid-range performer, but it is not impressive in the low end. I could feel the power loss down low. Look (as if you havent already) the American Sport Bike exhaust shootout. The D&D cuts both low and high end in favor of mid-range, which it does well, but if low end is what you are after a D&D isnt really the right option. Furthermore, look at the race pipe, which is what the race ecm is made for and compare that to the D&D, there is virtually no similarities between those two maps, might as well stay with the standard ECM and save the 210 bucks. Installation of the D&D is extremely straightforward, but you do want to buy new straps which are slightly longer to hold the back end of the pipe. The others can fit, but its a real pain in the a$$. As eariler stated The D&D sound is wonderful. And quite loud | ||
| Ironken |
I'm told that the fuel map of the Race ECM matches the needs of the Drummer pipe quite well. I have a Drummer and I'm sold. Had a D&D on my 02 X-1W and really liked it....very durable and very loud. Pulled very hard in the mid. Hands down Drummer on my XB......Clean fit being a big selling point as well as solid power across the entire powerband. | ||
| Jackelfox |
drummer, or rather KDFab tends to suggest, and dyno's seems to back up, that the drummer works better without the race ecm too. | ||
| Speedy |
I think the best set-up for you is stock race exhaust en a direct link for the ecm. and a k&N works very good. | ||
| Samiam |
...if you can even find a race muffler for a reasonable price... On another note, the Micron has done me quite well and is pretty good at the "obnoxious loud". And I'm sure the SS Drummer is good at the loud too. I just wouldn't go with the Jardine if you want "obnoxious loud". Sam | ||
| Patrickmitchell |
I just got a Jardine and it is REALLY loud. My exhaust, race ECM, and filter cost me just under $700.00. | ||
| Tkxb9sx |
same here. i love my jardine | ||
| Swampdog225 |
I've got the same setup as what you are looking to buy. I just got a new map from American Sportbike and once I reflashed my ECM with Direct Link, and reset the AFV, it humms nicely. I have problems keeping the front end grounded. It depends on what your riding style is and where you ride. If you live in the city and do a lot of commuting in and out of traffic, the D&Ds mid-range punch definitely makes traffic carving a lot of fun. As far as the sound goes, to me it has the best grunt of them all. There is no better feeling than when you pull up to a traffic light and scare the crap out of some old lady sitting in her Honda waiting for the light to change. Different strokes for different folks. | ||
| Cwxb12r |
Swampdog225: Did you have to call American Sportbike to order the mapping? Most of my rides are back road twisties. Our main route takes about 3 hours to complete and we see everything from HWY straights to 20MPH (posted) S-curves. I believe most of my riding is in the mid-range even when in the twisties. I don't plan on taking it to the track and I only need to be able to keep up with my fellow riders...2 of my friends have R1's, one rides a Busa 1300R and the rest range from 250 to 998. 9 out of 10 times it comes down to rider experience. I'm 33 and I've been riding some sort of cycle since I was 5. My first Buell was a 2000 X1. I sure do miss that nuclear blue frame and wheel. I was happy with the V&H pipes, K&H filter and Race ECM setup back then. OK, that as a little off topic.. I know I'm not the fastest in the group, but I will settle for the best sounding and best looking ride. I want a loud-deep sounding pipe but not lose too much HP getting the rich sound. I want to stay away from the frap frap frap sound of drag pipes. The numbers on the Drummer and Drummer SS are great, but I can't see myself storing my cycle for 2+ weeks while I wait for the muffler to be fabricated. Patience is not one of my virtues... 2nd to the last question. A lot of posters was stating that the stock ECM will work fine with the D&D and K&H filter. Am I able to re-map the stock ECM? Would it be better to install the race ECM? Last question. I mentioned this in the first post. "The only race ecm I could find is the race module for $210. It looks like it plugs into the existing ecm." Is this plug-in module what I'm looking for? I could have sworn my Race ECM for my old X1 was 1 unit and not a piece that was added. | ||
| Jackelfox |
your last question/answer are accurate, it replaces the stock ecm, its not an add on. American Sport Bike sells a reprogram for your ecm via key using direct link (i think) Custom mapping your ecm is always better, just possibly not worth the money (it hasnt been to me yet anyway) The Buell Factory Race ECM, personally sounds like a waste, particularly if you are using it with a D&D | ||
| Sloppy |
Save some money and keep the stock air filter. You're money is better spent on higher quality tires or to help pay for a track day than a K&N. I had one but switched back to paper since I only saw a power increase in the very top 500 rpm and got tons of dirt in my intake. YMMV. | ||
| Cwxb12r |
Hmm so no race ecm and no K&N filter with the D&D? Pretty soon it will be no D&D. =) Just as an FYI, after reading some of the other posts, I think I would go Drummer if I could purchase one without having to send my exhaust in... |
