| Author | Message | ||
     Donatello |
Anybody here running this system? If so, how do you like it? | ||
| Slaughter |
Search - kinda inconvenient but there's a buncha info here on Micron. | ||
| Cochise |
MEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!! LOVE ITTT!! | ||
| Livnlo |
and remapped AWESOME | ||
| Donatello |
I have one on order, but Micron is backordered for like 3 weeks!! I have the high flow filter and race ecm already, but I was planning on having the tps reset once I tot it installed. | ||
| Xbullet |
i love mine. best sounding pipe out there, imho. got al's brand new (2 weeks old or so) remap for my cityX and it's a screamer! | ||
| 07xb12scg |
I want a Micron, but am worried about the fugly headers, especially the dorky clamp. And I'm also worried about how loud they are. I don't want to ride with hurting hears or headaches and I want my neighbors to like me. | ||
| Fullpower |
I was led to believe that the micron was QUIET.... and will make 100 rear wheel horses. Am I mistaken? | ||
| Glitch |
The Micron is quiet for the most part. About as quiet as the Buell Race exhaust. Although as you get on it, it gets progressively louder. I've see a dyno where an XB9 gets just over 100 rear wheel HP. | ||
| Slaughter |
I doubt that just intake mods + Micron can make anywhere NEAR 100 HP. | ||
| Js_buell |
Does the micron let you keep the chin spoiler? | ||
| Freezerburn |
JS - yes | ||
| Trojan |
The noise depends upon your definition of loud I suppose. It is the loudest aftermarket pipe on the market in the UK and is much louder than the Buell race kit pipe. It is not road legal in the UK or Europe. I don't know what measure is used in teh US for dyno runs, but our well set up XB12X using a Micron full system, open airbox and Rapidbike fuelling unit made 96bhp at the rear wheel. I know people who have had around 98 but the difference would be consistent with different dyno operators etc. Most stock XB12's in the UK make around 85bhp at the rear wheel, so you can see it does give a noticeable improvement. | ||
| Glitch |
My bad, I was looking at the XB12 dyno sheet. Sorry bout that... | ||
| Smokescreen |
i love mine. best sounding pipe out there, imho. got al's brand new (2 weeks old or so) remap for my cityX and it's a screamer! Have you seen the inside of your motor lately? Looks like they need a little more development on the fueling map. Remember the Micron is a RACE exhaust. IE: it's meant for WOT. How do you Micron guys like riding your bike around town in traffic? You still like the performance?? For $250 my Spec Ops pipe has given me zero fits or problems of any kind. Maybe it's just me, but I see better things to improve for the money. Smokescreen | ||
| 07xb12scg |
Have you seen the inside of your motor lately? Looks like they need a little more development on the fueling map. Have YOU seen the inside of an engine running a Micron exhaust that was properly tuned? Nobody ever claimed that American Sport Bike's map was good for every bike in every location. If they did I missed that part. As far as the drivability of the exhaust, wouldn't the fuel map play a huge part in this? If the Micron is tuned properly then I don't see how drivability would be affected. It's not like it lost low end or mid range torque in comparison to stock. It actually gained torque in these areas according to American Sport Bike. And before you go asking, no, I don't have personal experience with the Micron, but you are the first I've seen on 3 different Buell forums who dislikes it. Some people want a modified stock exhaust and some people want the Micron or some other better performing exhaust. If the Micron was a "race" pipe wouldn't it have been more biased towards the top end at the cost of less low and mid range power? That's usually how race pipes work and the Micron doesn't have a lack in the lower and middle part of the powerband. | ||
| Xbullet |
}If the Micron was a "race" pipe wouldn't it have been more biased towards the top end at the cost of less low and mid range power? That's usually how race pipes work and the Micron doesn't have a lack in the lower and middle part of the powerband. that's true. smokescreen knows my bike, though. the original map i got from americansportbike was done on an '03 ECM. that didn't jive with my '06 ECM. the top end came off my bike for gaskets a month or so ago and we found it to be runnin' lean. at that point i got in touch with al and got the new map that was done on an '06 ECM. made all the difference. i now have electrical gremlins, but in the 500 miles i put on before they showed up she ran like a top and even put some carbon on the plugs. so yes, more research needed to be put into the map and it has been. but who has the most miles on a micron? i'm at 2500 since i put it on. what about everybody else? | ||
| Smokescreen |
I have seen the internals from several engines running different exhausts. With and without Race ECMs, Stock ECMs, and Direct Link. I have tried working with Al to get the system setup on my XB9 with no luck. Just won't run like it should. Tuning is a subjective word depending on how and who uses it. Just because some tech throws your bike on a dyno and loads a new map doesn't mean you actually tuned anything. I don't dislike the Micron. I just don't see where spending that kind of money for a few more numbers on a piece of paper. Out of all the XB's I've ridden, Either the Race pipe or Spec Ops seems to be a better ride. Ease of maintanence of both my engine and exhaust are nothing with what I have seen other pipes do to engines. I recently had a weeping rear base gasket replaced. Looked over my entire top side and NO significant sign of wear. That could all be attributed to different oils etc. So the experience I have with Buells leads me to believe that unless your going to spend serious money, there are better upgrades available. Just my take on what I've seen so far. Smokescreen (Message edited by smokescreen on June 06, 2007) | ||
| 07xb12scg |
See now I'd buy the Micron for the sound alone. That is worth $800 to me. Right now I could care less about performance upgrades. Sure the Micron is not cheap, but it's not much more than the Drummer SS. And those are the only two exhaust systems I like. The thing is any exhaust will cause problems with an engine if the A/F ratio is incorrect. I don't get what you mean by better upgrades. Like new suspension? Or new cylinders? Most people aren't going to go that far into their bikes unless they race. There's no reason to do that on a street bike. | ||
| Missbehavin |
But $800 for a better sounding pipe is?? Dude, you got issues. Smokescreen | ||
| Ridrx |
}See now I'd buy the Micron for the sound alone. That is worth $800 to me. Right now I could care less about performance upgrades. Sure the Micron is not cheap, but it's not much more than the Drummer SS. Not $800...you still gotta pony up for a remap and open airbox (and dyno time if you want to truly tune it) while the Drummer is (at least for some) compatible with the stock ECM and airbox...pretty much plug-n-play no? Besides, didn't you just post about driveability issues on another thread? Maybe you should take that $800 and have things sorted out proper so it RUNS good before you make it "sound good"? That said, it's your money and your bike...do what makes you smile... just as long as you're ridin'. (Message edited by RidrX on June 06, 2007) | ||
| 07xb12scg |
But $800 for a better sounding pipe is?? Dude, you got issues. Smokescreen Really? Because I want something and because I'm willing and able to spend that kind of money makes me have "issues"? I don't see how. Plus, I found the Micron for $720 and it is only $70 less than the Drummer SS. The Micron is a full system and the Drummer SS is only a slipon. It's only $800. It's not like we're talking about $5,000. Ridrx: I shouldn't have to pay to have a bike that injects properly, especially when it's brand new and has only about 2,500 miles on it. And I didn't say I was getting the Micron yet. I didn't read about the drivability issues with the Micron, but if you could post that link I'd appreciate it. I'd search, but I wouldn't know what topic to search for. If I search for Micron I'll get way too many hits. | ||
| Darkducati |
the original map i got from americansportbike was done on an '03 ECM. that didn't jive with my '06 ECM Well it wasn't just that. The injectors and throttle body are different as well. I ran into this issue while testing maps for Al on an 06' 9sx. But $800 for a better sounding pipe is?? Dude, you got issues. Please don't take this as trying to start something, because I'm not. But, some people might say the same thing about someone who would drop cash on paintwork. Different strokes. Like I said, not trying to start anything, just giving some perspective. | ||
| Missbehavin |
Dark, I understand, but I only paid $400 to do everything I did to mine. That's almost the same as buying brand new body work. Plus I wanted a white XB Lightning before they were ever a concept. So, that aside, just because you have money means you have to spend it unwisely? I see that everything is in the eye of the beholder, but damn, some of you people make me wonder why there isn't $5000 exhaust that just sounds good. Why? Because someone will buy it just because. I thought the Micron was the best performing pipe? If that's the case why isn't everyone wanting one? Because there are better alternatives out there for a fraction of the money. And if you have that kind of money to burn, I have some ocean front property in Kansas I'll sell ya real cheap! Smokescreen | ||
| Donatello |
The reason I was considering the Micron was that I have to replace my stock headers as they cracked in one spot. So I figured if I had to pay the $205 for stock headers and $650 for the Drummer total of $855 why not consider the Micron fo r $720?? That was the reason why I asked. I have spoken to Al at AMSbke and he even said it was the best pipe, cause there was only so much you could do with stock headers. I don't consider him someone who misleads customers to make a sale. On a different note, I already have the race ecm, open air box and hi flo filter, so I could expect good performance out of it. The sound is just an added bonus. By the way, A.S. dyno runs showed 105 hp with the Micron and they endorse it as the best system for the XB at the time on their website. Has anyone thought to test the XBRR's race headers with any type of muffler out there? Aren't they different than stock XB pipes? | ||
| Ridrx |
07xb12scg, "I shouldn't have to pay to have a bike that injects properly, especially when it's brand new and has only about 2,500 miles on it." Driveability issues should be covered under your 2yr warranty...no worries. "I didn't read about the drivability issues with the Micron, but if you could post that link I'd appreciate it." Actually, I said you posted about issues you had with your bike, hence the suggestion to put things in proper working order before you go buying pipes and whatnot. Here ya go... http://www.badweatherbikers.com/cgibin/discus/show .cgi?tpc=32777&post=902339#POST902339 ...but, as I said before...it's your dough and your ride, do what makes you happy.  | ||
| Cochise |
Have I mentioned how much I like MY Micron. Not saying there aren't issues, I was the first one that had a Micron bust some welds, they fixed it. I now have a slip joint that won't tighten up, I have two pipe clamps on it now keeping it "together". I would say I have about 8-9000 miles on my Micron. I had it dynoed when installed and had D&D tested also. D&D, Race ECM, high flow filter, 83 h.p. Micron, Race ECM, high flow filter, 92 h.p. I could get more with Direct link, but can't afford it. | ||
| Xbullet |
i bought mine for both performance and sound. i like the unique look as well. not many guys have a different set of headers on their XB. yeah i paid too much money. yeah it was a PITA tryin' to get all the bugs out. but bottom line is that when i hit second gear, twist the throttle and the front end comes up along with that sound, it makes me happy. makes it all worth it at that point.  hey Cochise -- what bugs did you have to work out? | ||
| Buelldyno_guy |
I have Both the Stock Drummer and the Micron and it was my bike that first got 100 RWHP with the Micron. On the cost $800 is a good price for a full system, the Ti-Force is $1,100 dealer and $1,300 Retail. The Great Dyno Shoot-Out posted at the American Sport Bike web site answered a few of these questions, But if you don't know where to find the answers it's easer to bring them all up again. Again here is my $0.02 worth. I like the Micron it measured 98 db at 30 ft, with my bike WOT in fourth. That is about the same as the Drummer. I like the sound of the Drummer around town, as it is not as harsh. I am planning on asking Kevin to build me "Drummer Quiet." Al and I have developed the MAP's for both systems and between his XB9 and my ULY we have in the last year have made over 400 dyno runs total on the two. For performance upgrades such as the RP 1250 or 90 ci Kits the Micron is my system of choice, producing from 105 to 118 depending on the engine size. This system works well with a stock or big bore motor. Now having said all that I think you can't go wrong with the Drummer or Special OPS and they are the best Buell slip on Mufflers you can get. However I am a "Tuner" so regardless of which I chose I would up-date my ECM using Direct Link. ... Terry | ||
| Theroamr |
not to get off track, but which is better, the drummer original or spec ops with a bone stock 12 with no mods. Which will have less dips in the power band or less lean spots? | ||
| Xbjelly9s |
I like my Micron system, it runs stronger then when i had the D&D with race ecm and K&N filter. The noise does get annoying to ride long distances but to me it's tolerable. Oh, and i like the fugly headers and dorky clamps...  | ||
| Cochise |
hey Cochise -- what bugs did you have to work out? I had to figure out how to keep the front end down. Other than that, what is listed above were the only problems. | ||
| Xbullet |
I had to figure out how to keep the front end down. i have that same problem. i had that problem with the stock exhaust, but it seems that when you add the micron you have a tendency to get brave and decide not to cover the rear brake. let's just say i bought the micron and it cost me having to buy a new subframe. sure was fun, though. | ||
| Al_lighton |
A couple comments about the numbers being batted around here. Dynos are different, absolute numbers don't mean squat. Terry's mapping on the Vallejo Dynojet 250 are at Sea level. That dyno typically puts a bone stock XB12 in the 89-90 RWHP, SAE corrected. That same dyno has recorded K&N/open airbox/Micron at just above 101 RWHP SAE, but 99-100 is repeatable. That same dyno puts a Race Kit with an Open airbox at about 96-97 HP after mapping. The XB9 responds to the Micron better than the 12, and makes remarkable power with one. Terry has hit 91 RWHP with an XB9 on that same dyno, but I'd never claim that someone is going to get that that number on theirs. But 88-89 RWHP is realistic, on THAT dyno. Motorcyclist Magazine routinely puts stock XB12's at 92 RWHP or something like that. If we saw that number on the dyno Terry maps on, with decent AFR values, we'd be tearing down the engine to find out what's wrong!! The Exhaust shootout dyno is likely giving power numbers that are about 6% high. We knew when we did it that we were on a "happy" dyno, but ALL the runs were on the SAME happy dyno with the same bikes and same setups. The relative numbers and curve shapes are all that matters. And on that note, let me repeat that it is the curve shape that really matters. Seems like folks get so hung up on the peak number that they forget what's really important is how the power arrives there. All things being equal, longer header runners are going to result in a lower "Q" (amplitude vs bandwidth) response with a more spread out torque peak. The Micron does achieve this, and as a result has one of the straitest HP curves top to bottom. But a properly designed slip on that doesn't deliberately emphasize one particular RPM can get a decently flat response as well. One should be very cautious comparing numbers obtained on different bike/dynos, and one should be very honest with themselves about how they ride a bike when choosing their components. A Buell race pipe makes very good top end numbers, but it really isn't a very good street pipe for anyone other than a very aggressive rider due to it's big low-midrange hole. I like the Micron. The tone is wicked, the power is linear, the drivability is good, and I like the way it looks. Others can't stand the looks of the serpent bends. It's relatively inexpensive for a full system, but there ARE less expensive options. To each their own. We now work with Kevin and sell regular drummers, and maybe SS drummers in the future. If I was running a slip on, I'd likely be running one of those. They sound great, I like the naked look, and the SS drummer is the cleanest looking naked pipe out there. But there are other reasons for choosing one of the other pipes if you look at ALL the data in the shootout. We've certainly taken our lumps on the XB9 micron map. It was one of the first one we developed, and due to some strange circumstances involving different bike configurations and some incorrect assumptions about compatibilities between the 03 and 05 ECMs, along with some unreliable beta test data, we had some AFV skewing issues. I gave up my 2 day mini-vacation up at the Infineon AMA races a few weeks back to do nothing but Beta testing on both configurations all day Thursday and Friday, and think we have those issues behind us. I drove my XB9 for about 500 miles that weekend nailing down the data, and by the end of the weekend, I was quite pleased with the way it ran. |
