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Cgocifer
Posted on Thursday, April 26, 2007 - 10:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I know squid tricks are dangerous and lame, but an occasional wheelie on a track day or closed course is fun once in a while. I'm a road race fan, not a trickster, but I know how to wheelie, or so I thought. So, I've always read how easy the front end comes up on the XBs. Well, I have a 12S with a Jardine and race kit and it is really difficult to get the front end up (on a closed course of course). I've tried first gear roll on, whackin' it open at 3000 rpms, and etc. Very wimpy results in 1st gear, nothing in second. Maybe the bike is down on power, or something. My previous R6 lifted easier. What gives?
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Slider
Posted on Thursday, April 26, 2007 - 10:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I think your lacking some power somehow?
my 04 12s comes right up in 1st..a little more effort, but up about a foot in 2nd. this is with just the race kit exhaust, modual, and air cleaner.
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Cochise
Posted on Thursday, April 26, 2007 - 10:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

if you're gonna whack the throttle in first, before you whack that throttle roll your hand a little forward on the throttle.
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Surewin
Posted on Thursday, April 26, 2007 - 10:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Up your rpm's a little bit. If you are rolling on, crack it between 25 and 30 mph. (I think the rpm is around 4500). If you are coasting 30-35 mph will stand up. 2nd gear, good tug on bars and crack it around 4500. You might need to let off, bounce, and crack again. 3rd gear, about 70 mph, hard bounce, and crack.
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68eb429
Posted on Thursday, April 26, 2007 - 11:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I agree..bone stock 300 miles 06 12scg and in first at 5-10 mph,rolll knuckles more forward and then crack it my front comes up a foot. Just sitting balanced in seat, not forward ,not leaning back with no help tugging on bars
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Spatten1
Posted on Friday, April 27, 2007 - 12:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

crack it around 4500. You might need to let off, bounce, and crack again.

Yep, at 3k you have no where near enough HP for a power wheelie.
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Buelltroll
Posted on Friday, April 27, 2007 - 12:09 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

http://media.putfile.com/how-2-wheelie
bouncing is for NOOBS
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Cgocifer
Posted on Friday, April 27, 2007 - 08:03 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

It will come up with a bounce, but with all that supposed torque, in first gear, that front end should come up nice and smooth with smooth throttle application. Maybe I over estimated the lightness of the front end Oh well, back to real riding I guess.
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Djkaplan
Posted on Friday, April 27, 2007 - 08:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

...an occasional wheelie on a track day or closed course is fun...

Depends on the track. It'll get you kicked out at some trackdays.

Doesn't your bike raise up when you powershift into 2nd? It's almost impossible to keep the front end down (even on a 9) when you do this.
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Spatten1
Posted on Friday, April 27, 2007 - 09:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Mine will come up shifting into second, but nowhere near the balance point.

Same with bouncing at anything under 4.5k rpm. It comes up a bit but just peters out or hits the rev limiter before getting high enough to really ride it out.

BTW: I would not ride with any track day group that did not eject someone for an intentionaly wheelie. That is too damn dangerous with other people riding 100% on the track. That should be done in the secluded parking lot after business hours.
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Xb9srider
Posted on Friday, April 27, 2007 - 11:16 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I agree with the ejection remark, Spatten1. Most of my track days have been with Sport Bike Track Time here in the midwest. I'm reasonably certain Monte would eject someone for an intentional wheelie (especially with a bounce that would affect track flow). I've done some corner exit wheelies with no comment, but they were unintentional acceleration wheelies due to the effective change in gearing when your leaned over a bit, I held my line and flow, and put the nosewheel back down in a smooth, controlled manner. Someone doing intentional wheelies at a track day is someone I would not want to ride near. You put others at risk. Ride safe.

Never Give Up!

Never Give Up!
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Adrenaline0210
Posted on Friday, April 27, 2007 - 01:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I have a 03' xb9s, jardine, race ecm, open airbox kit. For weelies which i must say im getting better at. 1st gear i dont really waist my time with, unless i just want to pull it up messing around down a short rd. All i do is slip the clutch the littlest bit and it comes right up. Most of my wheelies are either in 2nd or 3rd stand up... this is key. Put left foot on rear passenger peg and the other covering the rear break. IT WILL FEEL AWKWARD FIRST FEW TIMES. when you are in that position around 4k - 4.5k rpms in either 2nd or 3rd give it a easy bounce just as u slip the clutch a little and the front end will come right up. At about 40mph in 2nd and 60 in 3rd. 3rd gear takes a little more bounce and clutch work but when its up there you can ride it out much smoother because its not as throttle sensitive. Remember always cover the rear break if u ever feel the bike getting up too high just push on it easy. All the ppel i know that are really good at weelying clutch their bike up becasue you have more controle over how high the front comes up and u can predict how fast it will come up. If you bounce only sometimes you wont get a good bounce and it wont come up and sometimes ull give too much gas. Wearas if u use the clutch a little it will take alot less throttle to get it up to the balance point. The balance point is relativly high on these bikes thats why when sitting its almost 12oclock and you can go over without even knowing what happened. Standing will lower the balance point by a sheer margin and give you better control. Just remember take it easy and safe and stay in your ability, start to get the shakes and scared stop for a bit and practice practice.
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Cgocifer
Posted on Friday, April 27, 2007 - 02:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"BTW: I would not ride with any track day group that did not eject someone for an intentionaly wheelie. That is too damn dangerous with other people riding 100% on the track. That should be done in the secluded parking lot after business hours."

I've been to a couple of track days where part of the instruction was how to control wheelies so that the riders become comfortable if that were to happen. Nothing major, just a quick lesson on what to do and how to control it. They had bikes with spring loaded wheelie bars on the back to keep things safe. It was an advanced motorcycle maneuverability course and track day event. I went two years in a row. That portion of the class was held on a closed adjacent course, not the actual track. If you did do it on the race course, you were kicked off the track after one warning.

(Message edited by cgocifer on April 27, 2007)
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Spatten1
Posted on Friday, April 27, 2007 - 02:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I practiced standups in a parking lot on my 9 a couple of times last year.

The front came up much easier standing on the rider pegs than sitting on the seat.

It must be insane when standing on the passenger peg.
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Barker
Posted on Friday, April 27, 2007 - 02:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

pop clutch and crack throttle @ the same time. While you do the reverse bench press.

But dont take my word for it.

Listen to what a Buell Jedi has to say:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0UUnNjPzX0
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B_brad
Posted on Friday, April 27, 2007 - 03:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Slip the clutch in second but take it easy and progress slowly. In first it should come up with little effort, hit the gas and roll-off quickly and then crack it wide open and ease off the throttle. I would work on the roll-on wheelie in first gear to get good throttle control and then progress to slipping the clutch. Remember that the rear brake is your friend.
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Indy_bueller
Posted on Friday, April 27, 2007 - 04:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I agree with the ejection remark, Spatten1. Most of my track days have been with Sport Bike Track Time here in the midwest. I'm reasonably certain Monte would eject someone for an intentional wheelie

Yep, when I did my trackday at Putnam Park last summer, Monte was very clear about that.

NO WHEELIES!

Actually the exact quote was no "show me your drain-plug wheelies"
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Spatten1
Posted on Friday, April 27, 2007 - 04:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"show me your drain-plug wheelies"

Yeah, nothing wrong with the front lifting when coming out of a corner hard. NESBA draws the line when they see you jerk on the bars coming onto the straight. Tough to defend that one!
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Slaughter
Posted on Friday, April 27, 2007 - 05:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Besides, it's much more fun to PASS somebody than to lift the front end.

There are legit stunt classes run in structured environments.

It's a sign of LOSING efficiency when the front end comes up.

We had to laugh at a track day when we would watch a guy on an XB-12 coming out of the turn onto the front straight and trying to lift the front end - and within a turn, was passed by a little Husqvarna 450.
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Buelltroll
Posted on Friday, April 27, 2007 - 07:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

You guys know that you ALWAYS do this?
dude wants tips on wheelies and u guys are off on a seperate topic preaching about trackday saftey....

practice young grasshoppa
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Slaughter
Posted on Friday, April 27, 2007 - 08:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

He was talking wheelies on a TRACK DAY - no track day operation I'm aware of will allow it. I've just seen too many people "hot dogging" on track days getting black flagged.

Wheelieing IS a different skill altogether.

Keith Code has run a no-kidding wheelie school in a completely controlled environment.

Check: http://www.ononewheel.com/rrw-article.php
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Tdiddy
Posted on Sunday, April 29, 2007 - 12:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

They just had a wheelie school segment in that Stuperbikes show on Speed. They were using wheelie bars and were running down a drag strip. Looked cool.
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Cgocifer
Posted on Sunday, April 29, 2007 - 07:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Dudes, do you guys even read the posts before posting yours? Here, I'll post my reply to all of the track day mis-information. And, thanks for the back up buelltroll, I'm actually 31 and have been on bikes since I was 5 years old. This is my 5th sport motorcycle. Thanks to all for the posts. The original posting was because I was curious as to why everyone seems to think that the front end is hard to keep down, when in fact, you actually have to put fourth effort to bring it up purposely. Again, here is my repost of my track day comments in response to the quoted remark that sparked this whole safety detour! Geez, some people love to get on the soap box.

"BTW: I would not ride with any track day group that did not eject someone for an intentionaly wheelie. That is too damn dangerous with other people riding 100% on the track. That should be done in the secluded parking lot after business hours."

I've been to a couple of track days where part of the instruction was how to control wheelies so that the riders become comfortable if that were to happen. Nothing major, just a quick lesson on what to do and how to control it. They had bikes with spring loaded wheelie bars on the back to keep things safe. It was an advanced motorcycle maneuverability course and track day event. I went two years in a row. That portion of the class was held on a closed adjacent course, not the actual track. If you did do it on the race course, you were kicked off the track after one warning.
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Buelltroll
Posted on Sunday, April 29, 2007 - 10:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The "regulars" do it ALL the time.
Someone will ask a question they'll get a couple vague answers n then the "regs" will chime in about how this topic reminds them about blablabla
Pretty annoying actually.
Check the link I posted,Feather the clutch n practice practice practice.

Track day shmack day these guys seem to be enjoying themselves.
http://media.putfile.com/trackday-thunderhill
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Cgocifer
Posted on Monday, April 30, 2007 - 01:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I hear ya! Sweet video, I'm sure you'll hear all kinds of crap about that one!!
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Xb9srider
Posted on Monday, April 30, 2007 - 02:03 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Whatever dude.
You ride safe now. Ya hear?

Never Give Up!
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Sneth
Posted on Monday, April 30, 2007 - 12:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

erm, i can get it to hop with power on in 1st.
I hit the rev limiter and it just drops back down.....

I can't get it to do any more than hop without slipping the clutch. It's not as easy as rolling on the throttle. Dont believe the hype.
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Buelltroll
Posted on Monday, April 30, 2007 - 02:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Cruising at whatever rpm,chop the throttle so the forks compress then wack it wide open and it WILL come up.
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New12r
Posted on Monday, April 30, 2007 - 02:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Clutch it up chickens!!
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Staindus
Posted on Monday, April 30, 2007 - 02:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

OK what is the best way to pull a wheelie in terms of least harmful to the bike?
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Buelltroll
Posted on Monday, April 30, 2007 - 02:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Not doing wheelies is the least harmful.
Yes clutching it up is the most productive and lets you ride them ALOT farther.
But chop/gas is MUCH easier for just a nice wheelie when your not trying to ride one down the freeway.

(Message edited by buelltroll on April 30, 2007)
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New12r
Posted on Monday, April 30, 2007 - 03:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Buelltroll, DITTO!
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