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Jwhite601
Posted on Saturday, April 07, 2007 - 03:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I like points.
Which part? Changing them every 5000 miles or adjusting them every 500? LOL
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Jwhite601
Posted on Saturday, April 07, 2007 - 03:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

In a best case scenario, the carb will be "as good" as the F.I. But best case scenarios only happy to the lucky ones.
So that begs me to ask "You feeling lucky today"
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Panhead_dan
Posted on Saturday, April 07, 2007 - 06:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I like points.
Which part? Changing them every 5000 miles or adjusting them every 500? LOL

The part where they can be adjusted with a leatherman and a matchbook cover. And the $5.95 ticket price.

Seriously, We are going through a transition period from the old (points and carbs) to the new (electronics that never need anything) and we are not through it yet. That is to say, the electronics we have now are still in the developement stages. Yes, I still miss points and carbs sometimes. Mostly when I'm pushing a fairly new bike home that would be running if it were not for an electronic glitch. I would trade that experience for an adjustment every 500. There are vehicle manufacturers using much more advanced hardware and it's just a matter of time till our bikes have it. Till then, I have a leatherman. Anybody got a book of matches?
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Glitch
Posted on Saturday, April 07, 2007 - 07:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I'll have you know I am 100% organic, not electronic. Thanks you very much!

I guess it's a matter of what one has had the most trouble with. I miss not having to carry an extra set of points with me. I miss not having to adjust anything.
I had an old Yamaha 650 with dual points, what a pain in the ass that was.
I used to play with VW Bugs as well (the air cooled kind) and one of the first things I did whenever I bought one was to swap to electronic ignition.
My XB has had no such electronic gremlins.
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Cgocifer
Posted on Saturday, April 07, 2007 - 07:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

No gremlins here either. My dad, who is 62, races flat track. He junked his points on his both of his vintage flat-trackers for electronic ignition. My brother also races flat track. He too switched to electronic ignition on his vintage bike. His other bike, a YZ450F already has EFI obviously.
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Ezblast
Posted on Saturday, April 07, 2007 - 08:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Del Orto makes downdrafts - had dual 48mm for my 70 bug (Rhyno trans - type 4 eng w/2400cc kit ) - and they sold a 52mm as well, an adjustable ignition from Crane Cams and you'd be on your way!
GT - JBOTDS! EZ

(Message edited by ezblast on April 07, 2007)
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Cgocifer
Posted on Saturday, April 07, 2007 - 09:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

All this talk about this conversion... What a waste of time and money! Why de-engineer something that has taken untold amounts of engineering, research, testing, and manufacturing, all of which were done to improve reliability and performance? The XB may have an engine that uses antiquated push-rod valve modulation, but then again, so does the Corvette. I don't see GM going back to carbs on what is the most powerful, most reliable, and quickest Corvette series ever. As someone with engineering experience, I agree with the old saying, "If it aint broke, don't fix it!"
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46champ
Posted on Sunday, April 08, 2007 - 12:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

If your going to reengineer the induction system for a downdraft carb just use a HOLLY 2 barrel they come in various flow rates up to 650 cfm guaranteed to over carburet any V-twin
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Brumbear
Posted on Sunday, April 08, 2007 - 10:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I don't want a carb but I sure wish someone could stop my machine from popping back through the airbox it is really F'ing anoying as it doesn't happen all the time and 3 different times it went through so called diagnostics at this point I don't care what it is after a $10,000 sticker I want it running right or gone
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Glitch
Posted on Sunday, April 08, 2007 - 10:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

If you're "blipping" the throttle, stop.
Not sure why I used to do this, probably a left over from my other bikes (this is my first FI bike), so, if you're at a stop, and you have the habit of "blipping", it will cause a "hiccup."
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Xbullet
Posted on Sunday, April 08, 2007 - 11:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Why de-engineer something that has taken untold amounts of engineering, research, testing, and manufacturing, all of which were done to improve reliability and performance?

due to epa and dot regulations, the bike is only "engineered" so much. it has to be de-tuned from its potential to satisfy government regulators and tree huggers. i bought the bike knowing it would run better once de-epa'ed and de-dot'ed.

there is a line you can toe where performance is enhanced and reliability is not hurt. stock does not toe this line. stock perhaps can see it, but does not toe it.

so stock is fine. stock performs well. but when the bike is breathing and burning in the optimal sense instead of the dumbed down "let's not cause global warming or make too much noise" sense, you can have a true respect of what it was engineered to do.

if it was easy, it wouldn't be cool.
: )
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Brumbear
Posted on Sunday, April 08, 2007 - 11:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I will tell ya what It makes sense when this happens but it shouldn't period. If it does there is a problem in road situations especially city driving you have to blip the throttle on start stop restarts and all over the place. I have friends with FI bikes that do not do this 2,3,and 4 cyl. bikes so again I say if they can't fix it its gone.
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Cgocifer
Posted on Sunday, April 08, 2007 - 11:56 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

+1^

I stopped the blipping habit and the coughing stopped as well. Also, after about 2200 miles, it smoothed out quite a bit. Runs perfect now except for the occasional popping on throttle shut off (probably due to the race ecu).
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Panhead_dan
Posted on Sunday, April 08, 2007 - 01:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

And another thing -
what ever happened to fuel petcocks? I liked those things. I used to get laid often because the bike would mysteriously quit while passing a secluded spot along the river.....
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Glitch
Posted on Sunday, April 08, 2007 - 01:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Dan, we still have a kill switch...
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Kowpow225
Posted on Sunday, April 08, 2007 - 09:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

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Xbullet
Posted on Monday, April 09, 2007 - 06:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

what ever happened to fuel petcocks? I liked those things. I used to get laid often because the bike would mysteriously quit while passing a secluded spot along the river.....

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! turn the gas on dummy! (not so dumb now, huh?)

a lot of folks don't know what it's like to take off and have yer bike sputter to a stop in the middle of the parkin' lot.

Glitch -- exactly!! for some things we do have to change with the times, i guess....
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Brumbear
Posted on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 06:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I do and I have a bone stock xb12ss the thing has a mind of its own
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Cgocifer
Posted on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 09:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Fuel petcocks are fine... for dirt bikes.
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Cycleaddict
Posted on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 11:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

a "manual" reserve would be a good thing. (sputter, sputter ,cough, spit,sputter, sputter,... hit the ol' reserve & head for the nearest gas .)
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Punkid8888
Posted on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 02:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

hey my old Yamaha had electronic switch for the reserve. right with the controls on the handle bars, and that was 1987 technology, I loved it. I ran it till it sputtered everytime then just flicked a switch and find a gas station
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