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Surlypacer
Posted on Sunday, March 25, 2007 - 06:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The left side are cheap. The bikes have been out for a while. Anyone come across a cheap right side?
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Brineusaf
Posted on Sunday, March 25, 2007 - 07:04 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

yeah right!
what do you consider cheap?
R.Crins produced some for almost 300 IIRC.
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Steve_mackay
Posted on Sunday, March 25, 2007 - 11:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The problem being is it's such a low production type of item, tooling costs aren't offset easily.
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Teeps
Posted on Sunday, March 25, 2007 - 01:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I have a set of the twin (symmetrical) air scoops sold by Trojan, they appear to be hand laid fiber glass. The other big air right side scoops that I have seen also appear to be hand laid fiber glass or carbon fiber.

Hand made = $$$$$$$$!
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Sneth
Posted on Tuesday, March 27, 2007 - 12:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

carbon fiber just looks goofy on these bikes. i just need some molded black plastic.
i would like to find a nice scoop as well.
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Plag
Posted on Tuesday, March 27, 2007 - 12:34 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Check this out. I ordered on myself and am just waiting.

http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/327 77/259626.html
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Krassh
Posted on Tuesday, March 27, 2007 - 01:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Got mine from Rob a little over a week ago. Best money spent so far. I am liking the fan not coming on so much.
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Chadhargis
Posted on Tuesday, March 27, 2007 - 11:07 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I'm still on the fence regarding the RSS. It makes sense to ME (not being an engineer or anything, just a Tennessee hillbilly). But when I talked to the factory engineer at homecoming last year he emphatically said, "You don't need a right side scoop. These bikes don't have a cooling problem. If one was needed, we'd put one on from the factory."

So...if an engineer who's job it is to make sure the bikes run properly and don't break down doesn't think it needs one, then I gotta think he knows what he's talking about.
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Terribletim
Posted on Tuesday, March 27, 2007 - 11:16 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Since I work for an Architect and we work with engineers regularly, I will say that engineers regularly take the stance of "if it works that way, that means it doesn't need it". So while the bike technically does not need it, and will cool to the technical point without it, that doesn't mean it couldn't use it. Go with your gut, err on the side of precaution. I would put one on my bike if I could afford it.
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Krassh
Posted on Tuesday, March 27, 2007 - 12:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Well I was on the fence for a while in regards to the RSS, it certainly has cut down on the amount of times my fan comes on. Given the problems Buell has been having with the fans on the Ulysses going bad the less it comes on the better. It is a little high priced but given the one from Rob requires no painting and looks like OEM it definitely balances the bike out with one on each side. Mine ended up costing me $271.34 after Euro conversion.
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Sonny
Posted on Tuesday, March 27, 2007 - 01:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

With respect to the Buell engineer who says the XB does not need a RSS, he's correct. BUT, this is at the expense of listening to the whining fan on all the time. So while an RSS is not *needed*, it certainly is *desirable* in my opinion.
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Aeholton
Posted on Tuesday, March 27, 2007 - 02:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

So while an RSS is not *needed*, it certainly is *desirable* in my opinion.

Amen brother! Testify! I'm a believer.
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Az_m2
Posted on Tuesday, March 27, 2007 - 09:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

But when I talked to the factory engineer at homecoming last year he emphatically said, "You don't need a right side scoop. These bikes don't have a cooling problem. If one was needed, we'd put one on from the factory."

Folks aren't buying right side scoops because they think the bikes have a cooling problem, they're buying them so they don't have to listen to the fan run all the time.
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Chadhargis
Posted on Tuesday, March 27, 2007 - 09:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Ah...well that makes sense. I wear earplugs and can't hear the fan, so that $21 box of 200 pairs of earplugs just saved me a pile of cash and it protects my hearing.

Excellent! : )

RSS alternative....$21

http://earplugstore.stores.yahoo.net/holemaxuffop. html
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Buellballs
Posted on Tuesday, March 27, 2007 - 11:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Is there anybody that has a Micron and RSS. Would like to know if there is a clearance issue with the head pipe.
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Indy_bueller
Posted on Wednesday, March 28, 2007 - 02:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I haven't seen a RSS that will work with a Micron yet. There is definately a clearance issue.
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Jmhinkle
Posted on Wednesday, March 28, 2007 - 04:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

It's not the sound of the fan or hearing it run that bothers me, it is the amount it runs, when it runs, and how it never shuts off once on that bothers me. I am currently running an oil experiment that has drastically reduced my fan running. As a matter of fact it hasn't come on while riding yet. Only a few times on shut off. I am still considering the right side scoop because of the heat we see in the summer here. I also just received pics from Rob of his new series III scoop and it not only looks factory, it is almost identical side to side now. Truly a beautiful piece of art.
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Treadmarks
Posted on Wednesday, March 28, 2007 - 06:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Trojan has the micron and the rss. He said it was a major job to cut most of the bottom of the rss off, then rebuild it for clearance.

I will keep a rss on the bike, but I sure would like a micron too...
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Chadhargis
Posted on Wednesday, March 28, 2007 - 12:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

What is the oil experiment?

I'm running 20W50 Redline synthetic, and my fan comes on and stays on. It never goes off, no matter what the outside temp is.

I've thought of going with a 10W40 oil since it's thinner and might carry heat away better. The Redline synthetic 10W40 is supposed to flow better than a conventional 10W40, but have better protection than a conventional 20W50.
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Trojan
Posted on Wednesday, March 28, 2007 - 01:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Trojan has the micron and the rss. He said it was a major job to cut most of the bottom of the rss off, then rebuild it for clearance.


It isn't a major, major job to adapt the scoop for the Micron, it just takes a couple of hours in the workshop with a hacksaw and some glassfibre. In fact you could do it just by cutting out the base of the scoop to clear the header, rather than mould a whole new scoop base like I did.


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Sneth
Posted on Wednesday, March 28, 2007 - 05:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

So those with an RSS,

Does it really help? if so, how much?
Not the aesthetics, not the fact that it fits...

Does it even help?
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Treadmarks
Posted on Wednesday, March 28, 2007 - 06:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

It gives fresh air to the rear cylinder. Fresh air that is not tainted with high heat from the exhaust pipes.

My fan does not come on until I stop the uly and turnoff the engine.

Just wait till I install an electric fan on the oil cooler....
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Tx05xb12s
Posted on Wednesday, March 28, 2007 - 06:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

My take on the RSS is it's mostly a cosmetic issue. I'd like to have one just to balance out the look of the bike from the front end. However, I took the piece of trim off that goes in it's place some time back and it essentially eliminated the fan running at highway speed in all but the hottest 100+ degree Texas weather.

As for oil, I've been running Delo or Rotella T 15W40 for the entire life of the bike thus far (10,000 miles) and I believe it's the way to go and probably helps cool the engine better than the stock HD 20W50.

This RSS you guys are speaking of; is it identical in diameter to the left one? Does it look just like the left one when viewing the bike from the front?

If it's close to identical in design and material/finish, someone please IM me some contact info so I can pick one up too. Thanks.
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Az_m2
Posted on Wednesday, March 28, 2007 - 08:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Ah...well that makes sense. I wear earplugs and can't hear the fan, so that $21 box of 200 pairs of earplugs just saved me a pile of cash and it protects my hearing.

My Uly riding experience improved dramatically when I started using earphones with my iPod. Love the bike, hate the fan.
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Krassh
Posted on Wednesday, March 28, 2007 - 08:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Here are some pics.









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Jmhinkle
Posted on Wednesday, March 28, 2007 - 09:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I am running 5w-40 Rotella Syn and my fan barely comes on at all now. It never comes on around town in traffic, but it still turns on at some point on the highway. As soon as I exit and travel 5 miles max, it shuts off again. It doesn't even turn on with every shutdown. 20w-50 is too thick for this engine. It does not flow well enough to lubricate properly and release heat. A good quality *w-40 is truly the answer for these machines. My engine starts and runs so much better it is night and day from 20w-50 oil.
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Tx05xb12s
Posted on Thursday, March 29, 2007 - 01:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Yeah that's a good looking scoop. Where can I get one? I'm not into carbon fiber at this time by the way. Looking for one just like on the Uly above. Nice bike by the way.
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Sonny
Posted on Thursday, March 29, 2007 - 01:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Sneth:

My fan used to be on ~80% of the time while riding. Now its on ~10% of time. Frankly, if not for the RSS, I probably would have sold the bike, I hate the sound of the d*&%fan so much. Best mod in my opinion.
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