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Buell_892
Posted on Wednesday, March 07, 2007 - 07:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Im just wondering who has done this swap? How hard is it to swap out my S tail for a R tail on a 2003 XB9s? Is it very expensive? Any help is greatful.

Alex
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Buell_892
Posted on Wednesday, March 07, 2007 - 07:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I found in the KV a pretty good example of the swap. I would still like to hear from others if they have experience with this.

Also this means Im looking for a whole R tail, if anyone is interested in a swap or has a complete or almost complete R tail... I am very interested!
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Wolfridgerider
Posted on Wednesday, March 07, 2007 - 07:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/406 2/256411.html?1172448965
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Gentleman_jon
Posted on Wednesday, March 07, 2007 - 08:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Brian, (LoneXB), and I swapped tails. It took the better part of a summer afternoon. Brian did all the work, while I stood by in amazement.

The trick is laying out the electrics in the R tail which was not designed for them. The wire harness needs to be opened a little, and a hole must be made in the undertail to run the main electrical harness forward.

The S and R remote brake reservoirs are swapped.

We attached the fuse box and the banks sensor to the rear cross member with zip ties. I was planning on making some better brackets, but never got around to it.

We got rid of the tray under the passenger seat and put the ECM back there. Here is how it looks. It you think it looks extremely tight, you are right.

Wires to the rear lights need to be exended. I am sure I forgot some of the steps.


xxXx


Brian who is a very talented mechanic made it look easy, but I would call this an "expert only" job, and not something that the typical home mechanic could do in an afternoon.

Swapping tails is the only economical way of doing this: buying the parts new cost a lot. Sometimes the parts show up on eBay, so you could collect them over a period of time, say a month or two.
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Toona
Posted on Wednesday, March 07, 2007 - 09:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

892, If this is the KV thread you were talking about,

http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/384 2/249933.html?1170351295

I did it, if you have any questions drop me a PM and I'll answer as best as I can.

I also have the original outer tail plastic, it would need painted, but it would be cheap! (I bought new plastics)
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Buell_892
Posted on Thursday, March 08, 2007 - 08:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Gentleman, so you think i novice home do-it-yourself'er could get it done in a weekend?
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Gentleman_jon
Posted on Thursday, March 08, 2007 - 09:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Weekend - yes.
Novice - no.

A lot of the old shop hands on this site have a great wealth of knowledge that they sort of take for granted, when they say such and such a job took " a couple of hours".

This was brought home to me yesterday, when I was helping a very enthusiastic Ducati owner modify her Monster.

She is talented and keen as all get out, but her lack of experience and tools made me realize the very large difference between a real pro like Brian or Saintly, an enthusiastic amateur like myself with a couple of years experience, and a true beginner.

I would say go for it if you can find a more experienced friend to lend a hand. Otherwise, trying it alone it could prove extremely frustrating: I just hate that.

After all, there is no chapter in the Shop Manual for this one. I would not want to have tried this without Brian, that's for sure, ( not that I did much to help ).

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Buell_892
Posted on Thursday, March 08, 2007 - 09:03 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Well anyone that wants to spend a weekend helping me out... Ill buy the beer and steaks!
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Wolfridgerider
Posted on Thursday, March 08, 2007 - 09:09 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Glitch and I did the swap in about 2 hours. We had both bikes parked next to each other and 4 guys total "standing around" with only one T-27 to use. The only problem we ran into was the tip sensor. It says "UP" on it and that should be on the "TOP". Just take a good look at it before you take it apart. Its not that hard and If you have all the parts ready I think you should be able to do it in the morning and be riding that afternoon.
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Glitch
Posted on Thursday, March 08, 2007 - 09:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The R to S took about a half an hour.
The S to R took a couple of hours.
I think someone that has little experience could take this project on. What better way to get experience?
If you are mechanically minded, and can figure things out on a fabricators level, if you're good at Jerry-Rigging, you could probably handle this job, as long as you have the time to do it, and take your time while you're doing it.
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Buell_892
Posted on Thursday, March 08, 2007 - 09:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

whats funny is when i start this you will prob see 100 posts of me being very angry and what not!
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Toona
Posted on Thursday, March 08, 2007 - 09:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

892, Go For It!

I didn't think the job was that intimidating, so I did it. I did have the advantage of buying a complete R tail, so that helped. If you are doing a complete swap with someone else, that should make the job even easier.

If you need any close up pictures of anything in particular, let me know.

I used the factory mounting bracket for the fuse box and tip sensor, so I didn'thave any problems with it. I just drilled two mounting holes thru the inner fender to hold it, simple enough.

I only had to make one bracket for the S brake reservoir, and it was pretty simple bracket, picture in the KV thread.

Dan
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Isham
Posted on Thursday, March 08, 2007 - 12:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

1. Get ready to make multiple trips to the auto parts store if you don't have the right tools. I just installed a battery cut off switch into my undertail (for long term storage) and nothing worked out as planned and I needed to do a lot of modifications and make frequent trips to the store for screws,bolts, and tools. I'm really glad I grew up on Mcgiver because without him I would have never completed the job with the limited tools that I have.

2. Stay calm...always.
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