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Interex2050
Posted on Friday, December 22, 2006 - 10:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Finally replaced pads today...



5000 miles will transform that shiny new pad
on the left into something like the one on
the right



Here is the big question though...
Why would the outer pad suffer so much more?



The outer pad is on the left and the inner
pad is on the right.



Is this due to that the outer pad is actuated
by the side of the caliper which has the inlet?
Also would it be wise, in an effort to counter-act
this, to "rotate" pads every 2500 miles or so?
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M1combat
Posted on Friday, December 22, 2006 - 11:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I wouldn't rotate pads... I'm thinking it probably has to do with the fact that the rotor is pressed towards the right by the mounting hardware. Maybe you have a sticky rotor mount? There are plenty of reasons, but I wouldn't worry about any of them if the brakes feel good. Pads aren't that spendy : ).
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New12r
Posted on Saturday, December 23, 2006 - 08:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Dont rotate! The pads "bed" themselves into the rotor if you will and will squeal like mad if you move them!

As far as one wearing faster than the other, as long as the pistons move freely and the brakes stop good dont worry. I have been swinging pads on cars for 15 year+ and see alot of uneven pad wear.
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Interex2050
Posted on Saturday, December 23, 2006 - 02:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

thank you for the advice, I guess I just worry too much.
The weather is great so I am off for a ride.
Happy Holidays
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Swampy
Posted on Saturday, December 23, 2006 - 10:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Your caliper is probably not moving freely. Or your pistons are not retracting easily, caliper bore-piston fouling. Brake fluid needs to be changed out regularly.
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No_rice
Posted on Monday, December 25, 2006 - 10:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

5000 miles? man, that aint much. ive got over 16,000 on my original pads front and back. they look closer to the pad on the left yet.
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Xl1200r
Posted on Tuesday, December 26, 2006 - 09:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

^^ Kind of what I was thinking...

Haven't owned a Buell before, but my pads where only half worn on my Sportster when I traded it in with 14,000 miles on it. My buddies '04 12S has 9,000 or so miles and he hasn't done breaks on it...

As for uneven wear, I'm the same as New12r...been doing them on cars for years. Uneven wear isn't a good thing, but what you showed isn't really much to worry about. Check the pistons and slides and make sure all moves free.
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Ftd
Posted on Tuesday, December 26, 2006 - 11:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I got 10000 miles out of the pads on my X1 but the front pads on my Uly look to be needing replacement at ~6000 miles. Same riding done on both bikes with the ULY having a higher % of slab miles. Different pad material on the new XB's???


Frank
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Xl1200r
Posted on Tuesday, December 26, 2006 - 11:23 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Might be a different material. A softer pad will make for a better feeling brake, so maybe that's what's happening.

Car manufactureres have been doing it forever. BMW rotors are known for being extremely soft, but it makes the pedal feel euphoric.
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Sloppy
Posted on Tuesday, December 26, 2006 - 01:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Pad wear like that may indicate you have stuck pistons. Multi-piston calipers are susceptable to this and need to be cleaned frequently.

Before you retract the pistons they should be cleaned with brake cleaner and a toothbrush.
Once the old pads are removed, slowly push out the pistons and see if they come out evenly. If they do, you're golden. If not, it's time for more cleaning. If you still can't get them out evenly then it's time to disassemble the calipers and pop in new pistons & seals.

Another symptom of this problem is a spongy brake lever.
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Interex2050
Posted on Tuesday, December 26, 2006 - 02:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I cleaned the pistons before sliding them
back in, but I used that s100 wheel cleaner stuff...
I hope that was not a bad idea.
Also I did not check if the pistons moved
out evenly. Sounds like I am going to have
to do some more fiddling.
As for the brake fluid that was replaced
right after the pad change.
The new pads have a different "code" on them
so I am not sure what changes have been
made, only time will tell.
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984gasm
Posted on Tuesday, December 26, 2006 - 06:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

How frequently should we be changing our brake fluid, Front/Rear, and how what's a sign it needs to be changed?
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Interex2050
Posted on Tuesday, December 26, 2006 - 07:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I do this every set of front pads (replace front and rear fluid).
Although this depends greatly on how long the
pads last I suppose.
It would be a good idea to swap out after every
winter or rainy season...
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984gasm
Posted on Tuesday, December 26, 2006 - 07:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Interex - Don't mean to jack this thread, but have you purchased a brake bleeding system or bring it to get done? I have around 13k on my bike and have never had that done.. so just want to be on the safe side.

thanks
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Interex2050
Posted on Tuesday, December 26, 2006 - 08:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

No worries, more discussion is great...
Well all the bleeding system really
contains is a little bottle with some tubing.
So a make-shift one will do just as well.
There was a thread that had a great step-by-step
procedure,
although I cannot seem to find it right now.
I will try to find it later or just write up a new one.
It is one of those things that is not worth
paying someone to do, as it is rather simple.
If one takes their time...
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984gasm
Posted on Tuesday, December 26, 2006 - 09:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Sounds good. Would definitely appreciate that. Thanks
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Spatten1
Posted on Tuesday, December 26, 2006 - 09:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I've worn out pads in about 300 miles on the track, so your wear does not sound so premature to me.

Dirt buildup or worn detents in the pins can also keep one side from engaging or retracting properly. Check the pins too.
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M1combat
Posted on Tuesday, December 26, 2006 - 09:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I only get about 3500-4K miles n the front pads in the summer, and I go through a whole winter on one set or less.

I prefer hard pads...
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Thespive
Posted on Tuesday, December 26, 2006 - 11:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Ride the Pace!

--Sean
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Interex2050
Posted on Wednesday, December 27, 2006 - 01:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

hah!
I found it...
http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/3842/205900.html
This is the "kit" that I use



Its nice because it has a magnet attached to the bottle.
So no worries about spilling,
not sure if they still make that one though.

I do remember the pin being rather chewed up.
Perhaps the next set of pads I will do a complete
rebuild of the caliper. (pin, pistons, o-rings, etc...)

(Message edited by interex2050 on December 27, 2006)
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984gasm
Posted on Wednesday, December 27, 2006 - 09:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Nice! Thanks Peter. Seems easy enough
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