| Author | Message | ||
     Rocketman |
This from a man with a 9 year old Buell and a 12 year old Ducati. Actually the Buell is just 8 years old, and the Ducati 11. To put that into perspective. Anyone that's owned a 916 has still got it or regretting parting with it. Anyone that tells you different is either a liar or stupid. As for the Buell. The S1W is the only motorcycle Buell have made that I want. The fact mine has around £20000 of my money in it makes it hard to part with when at best it would struggle to sell for more than £6000 - if I'm lucky. Frankly I'd rather keep it than give the f**ker away. Rocket | ||
| Rocketman |
If someone can point me toward models that I missed, or companies that are constantly spewing out new models, let me know. You already did. New models Rocket | ||
| Rocketsprink |
Boy, other websites are having a field day with this. I unfortunately, agree with MOST of what is being said. | ||
| Xbmojo |
next idea for erik should be to put a tank on the back and call it the XB12AG (AG = Agriculture) | ||
| Xbmojo |
Erik has shown us all the way, use one bike for everything. makes me wonder why yamaha wont follow with the R1, raise the suspension on the R1 and its a supercross bike, lower it and its a cruiser, change the back tire and its a drag bike, take the fairing off and its a street fighter, put bags on it and its a tourer.  | ||
| Jscott |
I really believe that Erik would have much prefered to release a street version of the XBRR in Milan. Do you really think he was standing proud in front of the foreign press as they unveiled this miserable rehash? I think the boys at HD are starting to have a negative influence on the Buell brand. | ||
| Not_purple_s2 |
Xbmojo, isn't that what the customers do anyway? Basically Buell is just taking the fun... er.. hassle out of customizing the bike into what you want, be it tourer, dual-sport, street-fighter, or aggresive sport-bike. | ||
| Jscott |
If this is the route Buell is headed  , they should go full out and establish some sort of "Have it your way" system (ala Burger King). Potential customer gets online picks his pieces (damn those motor selections are limited!) and orders his own personalized Buell. They could revolutionize the market! | ||
| Spiderman |
LOL, I remeber the same conversations when there were only a XB9R and a XB9S... Buell can't please any of you. You ask for more models you get it. No crap their isn't a XBRR street model yet it has only been in the works a year or so and only been thru one race season. I bet you a nickle if they did come out with a XBRR street everyone will be all cheers till ONE breaks down then look out all the engineering experts will spout off about how Erik shoulda done this instead of this! You don't like the bike, good for you, move on with your life! I like the bike, but I do think the number plates may not apeal to most but how many tuber owners were ripping off stock airboxes? | ||
| Court |
>>>>Do you really think he was standing proud in front of the foreign press as they unveiled this miserable rehash? | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
One beat to hell first model year XB does not make ALL XBs bad. | ||
| 99buellx1 |
Sooo, I'm guessing you dont remember the model year 1999? | ||
| Jscott |
"Sooo, I'm guessing you dont remember the model year 1999?" Other than optional PM wheels, what am I forgetting? | ||
| Court |
>>>Other than optional PM wheels, what am I forgetting? That there were over 7,000 possible combinations you could order on that dreaded form. I never want to see a picture of a Buell in front a a drive-up window again.  | ||
| Jscott |
I didn't mean "Have it your Color". Since it's a modular platform, why not be able to pick your parts? | ||
| Pwnzor |
>>>>Do you really think he was standing proud in front of the foreign press as they unveiled this miserable rehash? Absolutely  Talk about painting yourself into a corner... | ||
| Spiderman |
were you there?? | ||
| Davy_boy |
Not my taste .  | ||
| Tpoppa |
Do you really think he was standing proud in front of the foreign press as they unveiled this miserable rehash? Absolutely Well he must be ignoring public opinion or be in denial. I really doubt that Erik has been driven to release the XB12STT. If Erik had his way, I am sure that Buell would have a state-of-the-art liquid cooled motor that would keep up with anything from Europe or Japan. We already know that the VROD motor was meant for Buell until HD took it from them. The issue isn't that the XB12STT is a bad motorcycle. It's likely as good as the XB12Ss, because it's basically the same bike. Buell enthusiasts have been screaming for more power on the street for years and what do we get? A new seat and a Pizza-Box-Number-Plate? And I can even paint it my self? Seriously? I really don't understand why this was so shrouded in secrecy. There was even talk that someone could lose their job for discussing some vague detail 1 day before the release. The STT is basically a $500 option package that any amateur mechanic can bolt on in their own garage. If anyone should lose their job, it should be the marketing genius that decided this half-hearted attempt would be received as a new model. People buy Sportbikes, Sporty bikes, Sportfighters, Streetfighters (or what ever you you want to call them) because they want performance--that shouldn't be a surprise to HD or Buell. I really like my XB9S, but with faster, better, newer coming from Triumph, Duc, BMW, Honda, Yam, etc it is getting harder to stay excited about Buell. | ||
| Spatten1 |
I think you nailed it on all counts. The HD way will not work in the sportbike world. You will only sell so many bikes without addressing performance, and it will not be a significant share of the market. You can try to pay off tooling by dressing up the same bike differently every year, but that is a cruiser strategy. HD needs to spend real money to make a competitive sportbike, which will likely never happen. Until then they can point at low sales numbers at Buell and never be able to justify spending $250MM on a new engine. It is circular logic. I will say the same thing I always do: I want to see a world beating American sportbike. I would be very proud. | ||
| Outrider |
Personally, I like the concept of the new TT. To me, it is the XB12 CityX with some additional features to attract new buyers. From my perspective, I have always been challenging HD and Buell to come up with a street tracker and a supermoto based on the XB1200 engine. Now, both of them have put me into a bind concerning which bike to buy. Assuming both will have relatively similar performance levels, I am still going for the XR1200 compliments of more relaxed seat to handlebar ergo's and the fact that I like to see more engine. However, Buell's frame simply won't allow that. Still, with the Uly ergo's on the TT, I just might have a problem with a buying decision come spring. Can't wait to read the on and off road (read: smooth dirt) riding tests of both bikes. | ||
| Tpoppa |
The HD way will not work in the sportbike world. You will only sell so many bikes without addressing performance, and it will not be a significant share of the market. You can try to pay off tooling by dressing up the same bike differently every year, but that is a cruiser strategy. Exactly. HD is excellent at marketing cruisers, but people buy sportbikes for COMPLETELY different reasons. Cosmetic changes on a cruiser are meaningful, but on a sportbike they are all but meaningless. Let face it. The 07 Buell lineup was a bit of a disappointment. There just wasn't anything new to be excited about. I sincerely hope that the Buell's talented engineering staff has been busy coming up with a bombshell for the 25th Anniversary in '08. (Message edited by tpoppa on November 15, 2006) | ||
| Outrider |
Cosmetic changes on a cruiser are meaningful, but on a sportbike they are all but meaningless. Incorrect statement. If true, why does the cosmetic aftermarket exist. Then considering the numbers, I can see where the majority of the aftermarket spends their time developing cosmetic products for bikes other than Buell. Ergo, Buell must do it themselves. Just an opinion. Not to mention, the TT is more than just a cosmetic swap out. It's genetic mutation!  | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
If the Uly didn't exist, I would buy the TT. I can't really fit on a regular sized bike (S or R) without looking a MFAF. It's going to be a powerful, responsive, fun bike. I'm not real crazy about the white, but I guess that's why they used it. It is already screaming for adornment. If you were new to Buell, this is a great bike. We here at BadWeb obsess over every single nut, bolt and washer of every bike in the line-up. As a result, we are underwhelmed by this offering. Why? Because we already have extensive carnal knowledge of every single nut, bolt, and washer of this new bike. We wanted something all new to molest. Instead, it's like sleeping with your sister. | ||
| Tpoppa |
Outrider, If Honda put a new fender, seat, and number plates on a CBR600F3...would that be the hot new Sportbike for '07. The cosmetic aftermarket for Cruisers is HUGE for sportbikes it is relatively small. Take what I said in context. Cruisers are 90% Form-Over-Function. Sportbikes are 90% Function-Over-Form. | ||
| Bads1 |
Tpoppa you are correct that the cruiser aftermarket is huge but that is changing and at a relatively fast rate. | ||
| Spiderman |
Yeah just like... TL100R or TL100S SV1000 or SV1000S Monster, monster S4R Ducati Sport classic line Ohh here is a good one 1987 Mustang, Cougar, T-Bird or Mark V The list goes on... | ||
| Outrider |
I like the white and am happy to learn that it is a molded in color. That means any gouges and scratched can be removed just like on any dirt bike. I forgot who makes the kit to remove the gouges, but rest assured I used it a lot on my KLR. Additionally, I really like the Urban Graphics concept that Buell shows in the photo gallery. Is really a clean and refreshing look. Not to mention makes a perfect canvas for personal expression! To be perfectly honest, I am really amazed at the negative comments about the TT that I have been reading on the BWB. I would think that everyone would be happy to see a purpose built big bore motard as it is the perfect hooligan/stunta bike that still raises hell in the twisties. Ok, so some of you wanted more horsepower and torque, others want a sport touring platform. Both and more are most likely in Buell's skunk works as we speak and will be released when their respective priority is up. Considering the success that Buell has had with the ULY and the feedback from the BWB for a more sporting version as well as KTM and Ducati sending their hyper motards to the US, not to mention the potential damage the Japanese can do to this market segment, it makes perfect sense for Erik & Company to intro the TT now. Hardbags and a larger fairing on an XB12Ss would fill the sport touring niche. Then that depends if you prefer an FJR1300 or some Beemer Boat to tour on. I should think that HD already has the sporting Gold Wing market covered. As for a new engine that will compete with the liter bikes, you are just going to have to wait for that one. It's bound to happen sooner or later compliments of both consumer demand and EPA. In the interim, think of the XBRR as just one of perhaps many experimental platforms both HD and Buell are working on. Air cooled, water cooled...only technology and government regulation will answer that one. Either way it will be a win-win opportunity for HD and Buell. In closing, let's be happy that Erik & Company are doing something besides just releasing a new color like a lot of other manufacturer's have done. Oh God...I am sounding like a Buell Cheerleader. Sorry, no group hugs or anything of that nature. I'll leave that BS up to Court & Company.  | ||
| Outrider |
If Honda put a new fender, seat, and number plates on a CBR600F3...would that be the hot new Sportbike for '07. Ok, so you didn't like my post. However, the fact of the matter is: Yes, Honda and a lot of others have done that quite often. | ||
| Jscott |
"To be perfectly honest, I am really amazed at the negative comments about the TT that I have been reading on the BWB." Sad huh? You should see what they are saying on non-Buell sites. |
