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     Bads1 |
Little Birdie told me to look at the link above. Little birdie told me to the same thing I said. Why is Buell at the Milan show if there is indeed NO bike??? Next week means the show will be over and pictures and news will be out and leaked by then. So Dave,Court, and Anony do you have your shorts up in a big bundle because I may be right?? Hey if so I'm as excited as the next person on this board and wondering if I need to trade in to Dave or sell soon. SHEESH!!! (Message edited by bads1 on November 11, 2006) | ||
| Buelltroll |
Whats the blue book these days on Daves anyway? You people have WAAAAAAAAAY too much free time. | ||
| Bads1 |
Buelltroll my profile reads I registered in 2003 but actually I registered in 2001. Because of a glitch the Badweb had a couple years ago I lost a few posts and some info. Besides the point you have been around for a year and pushing 1200 some posts. Looks like you have a real good start going and have way to much time on your hands as well.lol  | ||
| Buelltroll |
I was actually on here for about a year before I got banned for a year. So I've lost almost 2.5 years of posts... | ||
| Rocketman |
Next thing you know, Steve McQueen 'll be getting the sack for posting on BadWeB. I heard just yesterday that Buell bought Ducati for 1 euro. I'd have bid myself but I was pretty skint this week. Rocket | ||
| Rocketman |
There's a lot going on in Milan this coming week if you're the CEO of a US motorcycle company. The Forum The International Forum on 2-wheel motor vehicles, organised every year by CONFINDUSTRIA ANCMA in collaboration with Ambrosetti – The European House, was previously held in Cernobbio for 3 years, and then in Rome in 2005. This year it has moved to the Milan Exhibition Centre and will be held in the immediate vicinity of the Exhibition, with the double objective of further emphasising the international aspect of the exhibition itself and constituting an unmissable event, comprising the forum, the fair and Motolive. The title of this year’s forum is: “Marchio e Design come motori di sviluppo dell’industria motociclistica” (Brand and Design as the driving forces behind the motorcycle industry). It will involve important figures from the world of culture, politics and industry. Chaired by Paolo Madron, the first part of the forum will be dedicated to the reference scenario (global mega trends): contributions will be made by Loyola de Palacio, Chairman of the European Commission Transport Network High Level Group, Glen Hiemstra, Founder and Chairman of Futurist. com, and Jean Paul Fitoussi, Chairman of the Scientific Committee of the Institut d’Etudes Politiques of Paris. This will be followed by the presentation of a research project into “brand power”, carried out specifically for the forum. The project will be illustrated by Valerio De Molli, managing partner of Ambrosetti, Joseph Sassoon, Chairman of Alphabet, Lars Wallentin, former Deputy Marketing Chairman of Nestlè, and Rob Brady , Chairman of Rob Brady Design. The research will be discussed during a round table involving some of the main figures in the motorcycle industry: Herbert Diess, Managing Director of BMW, Tim Busce, Chairman of the Motorcycle Industry Council, Alberto Bombassei ( Brembo), Claudio Castiglioni ( MV Agusta), Roberto Colaninno ( Gruppo Piaggio) and Federico Minoli ( Ducati) This will be followed by contributions from government representatives, and the closing thoughts of Guidalberto Guidi, Chairman of CONFINDUSTRIA ANCMA and EICMA. A summary of the forum will be provided by the "rapporteur" Giacomo Santini, senator and journalist. The forum will be held on Monday 13th November at 2.30 p.m. in the Gemini Hall at Milan Exhibition Centre. USA Seminar On the morning before the Show is officially opened, a Seminar on the US motorcycle market will be held at the Fair premises. It will be have a technical-commercial approach, focussing the attention on a market with great potential, which perhaps is not fully expressed as it is not sufficiently known. Participants include, among others, Robin Hartfield, Editor-in-Chief of "Motor Product News", Vincent Marazita, analyst and Eicma representative in the US, and Fortunato Celi Zullo, Director of the Italian Foreign Trade Commission (ICE) in Los Angeles. And finally.................. BUELL press confrence 5.00 pm at the Pav. 2 booth I30 Rocket | ||
| Rocketsprink |
Go look on the ULY thread. Looks like the cats out of the bag. Damn, Now you'll have to fire a bunch of dealers for opening their mouths. | ||
| Rocketsprink |
http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/142 838/239905.html?1163302249 Looks like Buell will have to fire some dealers now, huh. | ||
| Rocketsprink |
How come no one is going on the Uly thread and chastising people over there for posting a lot more than was said on this thread? Maybe Buell needs to rethink sending out info to dealers about new bikes. You know some are going to spill the beans. Than again, maybe that's exactly what Buell is hoping for. | ||
| Cochise |
I say, spill the beans all you want, just make sure you are selective on whether or not you're going to tell a big-mouth (Not you Dana) The people that come on and say too much like, my dealer told me __________ You just have to know when to keep your mouth shut. I have a dealer friend who has told me a couple things, but you know what? I keep it to myself. | ||
| Old_man |
If something new is coming, it doesn't hurt Buell to have this fact out, as long as no details are revealed. In fact it probably spurs everone's interest, which is a good thing for Buell. IMHO Jack | ||
| Jackelfox |
i agree with the old man... i've been checkin' all over the internet for details about this every day for almost a week, just hoping to get somthing.. im excited, more so than i would have been if noone was squelling | ||
| Daves |
Rocco, I agree. Since no one can seem to keep things secret anymore they should not tell dealers anything either. And yes, I do think that the dealers or employees of dealerships that leak info should be punished. It has to do with confidentiality and common sense on a dealer or dealer employees part. Dana, I'm sorry I even posted on this thread. It's just the leaking of info prior to Buell's official releases has always bothered me. You are certainly not the first or last to do this. I guess I should just accept that it's going to happen by someone and not let it get to me. Have a great weekend! | ||
| Bads1 |
I understand Dave not a problem. | ||
| Court |
>>>>It has to do with confidentiality and common sense on a dealer or dealer employee’s part.  . . . hehehehe.....yes, and let's toss alcohol in. There are some hilarious tales of confidentiality leaks over the years. One of my favorites was after we'd been testing the Thor (later to become the Blast-2{R} for so long. A load of bikes were sent to New Mexico and a select group of dealers were taken out one day for some familiarization riding. The moment they were on about the 3rd drink that night information was flowing as freely as the pictures they'd taken at the dealership. The recent B.R.A.G. announcement illustrates the competing interests Buell has to attempt to address with a new intro. There is the "I can't believe I am a dealer, am going to be expected to sell this thing and I had to learn about it on the internet" on one hand. On the other hand are the dilution problems when you *DO* let them know, in confidence, and they shoot their mouths off to owners in what can only be described as puffery. There are a number of us to go to pretty extreme lengths to NOT KNOW ANYTHING (free to work me over with that quote anyway that suits your individual interests) about future products. Dave Gess and I frequently "accidentally" run into bits of information and when I say "accidentally" I mean exactly that, not the wink and a nod stuff some folks imagine. I got, for instance, a letter from a well meaning Harley-Trog who had forgotten to delete the portion of the e-mail to wit . . . "our efforts, in that area must be focused completely on future projects such as ______, _____, _____, ____ and ___" I've also had the "hey, I’ve gotta run, I have a 10:00AM conference call with ____ (vendor) over the ____ (part) for the new _____(model)" from a good engineer well down the Buell food chain is, in his daily dealings is used to speaking only to other Buell engineers and doesn't have his guard up. Dave Gess is a guy who knows Buell parts like Baden knows a body. Two phone calls and two pieces of a small puzzle are all it would take for him to precede with deadly accuracy. To that end we, and I can only speak for the two of us, adhere to a "catch and release" policy. Buell has a very good reason for confidentiality. My personal joy in all this is that it's, frankly, more fun NOT KNOWING. Over the last 20 years, I consider it a gift from Erik that I get Christmas about 2 times a year. I also, and may of you have heard this till you are sick of it, get entertained by the "is Buell going to introduce a new model?" rhetoric. The answer will ALWAYS be "YES". I mean, I know about 25-30 folks at Buell. They, in terms of their fervor and passion for motorcycling, exceed all but the most ardent Badwebbers. You think someone hired these guys with a "just stand around and if we have something for you to do, we'' call?". . . yeah, right. Trust me, when someone like M.I.T. edukated cycling fanatic Steve Anderson shows up at Buell . . . . WE'RE GOING RACING! Period. Buell has an amazing concentration of very talented folks who work in a tremendously creative environment under the leadership of Jon Flickinger and Erik Buell. I don't know WHAT'S coming, but I'd bet good money that it's going to be GREAT. If I knew anything, I'd say nothing. I don't want my Christmas ruined. | ||
| Slaughter |
Working in a biddness in which confidentiality is taken seriously, I am amazed at the flat-out stupidity shown by people "in the know." I guess it shows that Buell has some seriously misplaced confidence or is a little naive in their trust in others. I understand the urge to brag ("I know something you don't know!") but were I in the position to make decisions, and had I found out that an employee of a particular dealership or subcontractor (or any other person in a position of confidence) had leaked any info in ANY way, they'd be cut off at the knees. ...but that's just me. | ||
| Slaughter |
Just to clarify sumpin: I have nothing against speculation and fantasizing. It is what sells Lotto tickets, Playboy and the Enquirer. I love speculating, it's fun and can be entertaining. I just lose respect for folks who breach a confidence given them by another. | ||
| Lllbmanlll |
I'd have to buy one if it looks like this  | ||
| Buelltroll |
ya your image here is badass lookin! | ||
| Diablobrian |
I get you Slaughter: It is far different for a layman to idly speculate than it is for someone, that should know better, to betray the trust of a third party that shared knowledge in the mistaken faith that it would go no further. We laymen have speculated at great length here on BadWeB, but those with inside knowledge have a responsibility to stay out of the speculation (even in an attempt at misdirection). (Message edited by diablobrian on November 12, 2006) | ||
| Hattori_hanzo |
BUELL press confrence 5.00 pm at the Pav. 2 booth I30 So...basically 11:00 am eastern standard time tomorrow? That's 9:00 am AZ time...I think I can find a way to wait 'til tomorrow. | ||
| Jiffy |
I feel that speculation is fine if the people speculating are doing just that...pure speculation. I often times add to posts as these my ideas of what Buell may have in store, but I honestly am making pure guesses. As long as these posts are made by speculators I have no problem with them. | ||
| Lllbmanlll |
Thanks Buelltroll Here's what I wanted to post earlier.  | ||
| The_raven |
I am baffled at why some people are upset that "confidential information" was "leaked" to the internet. The pre-launch info that was received clearly said that the dealers should take advantage of this opportunity to generate early excitement, generate traffic, and even a possibility of taking early deposits for this new motorcycle. Old man has had about the only worthwhile comment in this entire thread. I haven't seen any "leaked" photos or specs on here or anywhere on the internet. The only result of any, what some people think is "leaked" info is excitement. and maybe a little dare I say jealousy for people who did not know before someone else...but what do I know? | ||
| Pushrodpete |
LEAKS ARE BAD. If design details leak out early, other sportbike manufacturers get a headstart on stealing ideas for THEIR competing... ummm... aircooled pushrod Vtwins...? | ||
| Thespive |
I don't think there was anything wrong with what was said, all it did was create some much-needed hype and buzz about a still unknown future Buell product. As was said above, even the dealer materials said to create a buzz. Besides, leaking something 1-day or 1-week early isn't going to alter a competing company's immediate product plans, as these things are set in stone years in advance. Now, leaking info 6-months or a year early, now thats when we would have a problem. We do the same thing at the magazine I write for. We buy spy photographs and speculate in our new section on the upcoming model, what it might be, styling details, drivetrain info, why it is significant, etc. The truth is, there are often times that we have already seen the vehicle in question without the cammo or have the specs, but because we have signed NDAs on file, we can't discuss specifics. So we "leak" generally known or publicly available (i.e. public industry sources that the lay person might not have access to) information. It is a fine line we walk, but it is something fun an interesting for the reader and generates excitement for those who want to feel like they are in the know and keeps the buzz up for the manufacturer. --Sean (Message edited by thespive on November 12, 2006) | ||
| Percyco |
Here it is !..............  Ok....so I stole it from the Uly forum  | ||
| Bads1 |
If that what it turns out to be..... I'll pass and keep the bike I have. | ||
| Eboos |
"Move along people. Nothing to see here." - Officer Barbrady | ||
| Thespive |
I do love the way that looks. That might be a fun thing to do to my CityX, but then I really wouldn't be able to touch the ground! Anyway, I would love to see something more than just a derivative of the XB platform (unless it is a street Uly with hard bags). Although, that just shows the versitility of the XB platform, which I think is awesome because it shows the wide range of segments Buell can attack with just one platform. Cool. You have to know the XB's sucess is funding some really awesome next gen Buell. --Sean |
