| Author | Message | ||
     Cycleaddict |
WTF ? was out riding sun. with abunch of guys on my xb9s (race kitted) and thought i could "take" the ducati----- nooooo .at about 85mph on the interstate i got beside the duc and motioned "let's-go" i got the initial jump but he started walking me ( 3-4 mph faster?) he let off at approx.110-115mph i'm still on the gas and pass him, he gets back on the gas and passes me again at about 120-125 mph.! dammit --i thought a race kitted xb9 was"good" for 80- 85 h.p. WHAT !!! | ||
| Seewhy |
Next time just tell him you were only giving er half throttle to see if you could still beat em and go home and tell the bike how disappointed you are with er  or try getting his attention and point at something fictional and get him to look then pass him. That seems to work all the time for me. | ||
| Blake |
A Duc M900 is no slouch. Aerodynamics matter. How big are you; what were you wearing versus how big is he; what was he wearing? Were you in a good crouch; was he? Also was his bike stock? | ||
| Jkhawaii |
are you sure it was a m900? specs say it has only 80hp maybe it was a water cooled 8valver. also maybe he down shifted and you dident? | ||
| Sconley |
I've had both Ducs and Buells... My 2000 M900sie had a full Ferracci exhaust, lightened flywheel and a lightweight clutch... It was WAY more faster than my Drummer equipped XB9sx... From a start, the Buell gets up and goes quicker but it doesn't take long (maybe 20mph!) before the Duc could reel it back in and literally run away from it. You can't look at dyno charts on this one... The Ducs redline is 9500 and actually has a bit of a power band that kicks in around 6000 or so (about the time the Buell needs to move up to the next gear or bounce of the limiter)... If Buell would put a Ducati 1000ds engine in it's frame I would spend 12,000 on one... It would be THE definitive bike to have and nothing short of inline four would give it any problems anywhere... And even the 600 I4's wouldn't be unbeatable, certainly not embarrasing. Until then, I guess I'll have to stick with multiple bikes... | ||
| M1combat |
If you wanna drag race you need a different bike... That said... Last week I was following a 636 along the Spars... He was a bit faster in the straights but I could come out of the turns fast enough that I could actually catch him in the straights before the next turn. Got dead even with him and then shut her down a few times. Granted... The straights on the Spars are only about 100' long and there aren't many of them. There are a couple that are longer and he'd pull away by about 30', but I could catch back up in five turns or so. That said... I'm sure I know that road a good deal better than he does. | ||
| Vonsliek |
a damn ducati 800 monster can take the buell - racekitted - on a long straight if its been a little modified; there is a reason ducati have a fine raceing history & are romping the new 800cc motogp tests (tho i suspect it won't last for long). duc's know how to build a fast, revvy twin. albeit w/ high cost of ownership & repair. tho - & this is no shit - my xb12r has cost me MORE than i care to admit & the dealership too (they have eaten half the probs .. i was joking in there today at starting the anti-buell website .. trouble was i was only half-joking). i was surprised the first time i came up on a race (ie: even had to be push started - no electrics) zx6r (636cc) on the track .. i was all over it - it was holding ME up - but like all these pesky ducs & 600's .. i was toast come the end of the 1/2 mile straight. gots to find me a no straight track! ;P | ||
| Jeffs900s |
FWIW, my Duc Monster 900 with a few mods (pipes, intake, PC, light clutch etc) is faster than my XB12X. | ||
| Cycleaddict |
the m900 duc appeared? to be stockish (tergminoi muffs) equal size riders,(160lbs) and i was definitely in "full tuck"! his left foot was on the buddy peg so i know he did not down shift. i'm dissipointed but i still love my buell! maybe just maybe? are the dyno numbers "inflayted to make us feel better about our dedication of ownership ??? | ||
| Smokescreen |
The long and the short of it, you should just buy a Ducati too.  | ||
| Fullpower |
First thing: I love my Buell. In a top gear roll on, wife in sixth gear on her 620 Monster, and my 140 pounds on an XB12 Lightning running 5th gear, she can RUN AWAY from me. If she pulls out to pass a motorhome she runs maybe 8 to 10 bike lengths ahead, I dont start catching up till we reach triple digits, over a 100 I can catch her pretty easy. But at a typical 60 mph roll on the little duc will leave my buell for dead. if i drop down to 4th gear i can stay even with her 6th gear, but then if she shifts back i havent a prayer. her power band goes from 3500 to 10,000 rpm, whereas the XB starts pulling around 4500 rpm and the ignition starts shutting down about 6600 rpm, so I am somewhat hampered by a heavy crankshaft and a narrow torque range. The Lightning fits me perfectly, and is a great weekend touring or commuter bike, it is my only street bike, and I wouldnt trade it for any other. | ||
| Kdan |
You got a Buell to race Ducati's?  I got a Buell cause it's more fun than almost anything I've done with my clothes on. I don't care for the Price of the Ducati, the attitude of a lot of the Ducatesticles or the maintenance requirements. But if someone wants to give me one... | ||
| Mutation_racer |
Learn how to ride , just kidding down shift one gear and give er hell | ||
| Elff |
To me, it sounds like you got smoked right at the point where it is known that a Buell is topping out. If you got smoked at a lower speed, then I would think something was wrong. | ||
| Cycleaddict |
mutation ,i've been riding motorcycles longer than YOU have been on this earth! k-dan no i didn't buy abuell to drag race ducs. but -----the point is i'm trying to make is how does 80 hp (duc)beat85-90hp(buell).---there is no argument to results gleaned from the concrete DYNO !!! the numbers from those muffler dyno must be really optimistic !! | ||
| Elff |
Gearing can change everything | ||
| Freezerburn |
Yeah, our dyno numbers may be a bit optimistic, and the Duc's may be a bit conservative but gearing is a huge thing. After I first built the motor for my '66 Chevy II SS I was a bit disappointed with my work until I changed the 3.08 rear-end ratio to 4.56. It went from being very fast to a bloody freakshow that could scare the pants off of anyone. | ||
| Spike |
Man, you guys sure have some fast Ducatis. Motorcycle.com has a 9R and a 900SS turning in almost identical 1/4 mile times and horsepower. I've ridden an M900 and numerous XB9s. I can see the M900 getting away in certain situations, but not anywhere near some of the gaps claimed here. As for a 620 outrunning an XB12 . . . I'm speechless. The dyno results I've seen have the little 620 barely putting 60hp to the wheel. Even Ducati's website only claims 63rwhp for the 620, which is still a solid 20hp down from even the weakest of XB12s. A 620 walking away from an XB12 just doesn't add up, especially in a roll on situation. | ||
| M1combat |
Did you cound the teeth on his sprockets? Makes no difference... Next time race them in your element... a turn  . | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Any number of bikes can beat a Buell XB12 in out right speed in a straight line. I would imagine wound out that the top end differences are reduced. So we win in low end grunt and compete at top end. We just have a valley in the middle. My guess is that the Duc caught you in it. | ||
| Aeholton |
-----the point is i'm trying to make is how does 80 hp (duc)beat85-90hp(buell).--- Because your XB9 is running no where near 90hp at the rear wheel. My XB12X dyno'd at 81.81 hp / 73.07 ft-lbs (SAE corrected) with race kit installed. | ||
| M1combat |
My 12R dyno'd at 89RWHP on a slightly sad dyno. Still have no trouble keeping up with anything in the canyons though... | ||
| Deuceman |
I think a race kitted XB9 is probably closer to 72-74 hp. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. My wife's old Monster 750 would flat out leave me behind top end, so it's not unheard of. But M1 is right. Take a look at any Ducati's rear pulley. They are almost all geared for top end. | ||
| Smokescreen |
Dueceman, your right. Where do people hear stuff like that? Put your bike on a dyno and you will see that your Buell signs off WAY earlier than a Ducati in HP and TQ. It's about sheer numbers ladies and gentleman, and their numbers win. Your Buell doesn't stand a chance. If you want to pass Ducati monsters you'll need something alot faster than a XB9 for sure. Wouldn't you rather be riding side streets and blowing by them in a decreasing radius off camber double apex? See if the Duc can keep up with you there. ( That's where I play!) Smokescreen | ||
| Alexfiggy |
well i just dynoed my xb9sx its an 05 with a race kit and i was getting 75 hp to rear wheel.i dont race people on the highway. thats a good way to end up in a pine box but in traffic this little sob can pull away from some dumb cagers when needed.  | ||
| Xb9ser |
The other day going to work on my day off to see a friend. pulled up to a stop sign and two crotch rockets went past the rear on had a extened swing arm. when I pulled out I nailed it to catch up, ran up to about 90 and they had slowed up due to traffic. the guy on extened swing arm kept looking in his mirrow at me.We slowed down due to a car turning. When it was clear he took off I was in first gear and took off also, we ran up to about 100 and I stayed about 30 ft behind him the whole way. He about broke his neck by keeping looking in his mirrow.We then had to slow for traffic agine. the whole time he was looking in his mirrow. Then I turned off.To go to work he gained a new respect for buells. In all honesty I dont know what he was rideing a 600 maybe.But he did have an extended swing arm so I guess he thought he was fast.XB9S with k&n, open airbox race ecm, and DRUMMER.Showed him the lite!! | ||
| Duckbuell |
I ride my wife's 03 620 Monster, because I have not yet purchased a Buell. It is a very capable bike, and it handles and brakes better than my brothers 99 X1 lightning. However, it does not have the power and top speed of the X1. The X1 has tons more character and excitement than the Ducati. The X1 requires a highly skilled rider, it seems to have 2 power bands - and can catch you off guard! The 620 monster is very easy to ride, if not just a bit boring, but it kicks butt in the corners, and it will easily hit a ton. Riding the 620 monster has me thinking I should test ride a 2006 Ducati 1000DS super sport, before committing to a 06 XB12R. An Aparilia Tuono would be cool too, but it is more bike than I want, considering I am 45 and want to keep my road antics to a minimum and stay alive to ride when I am 80. | ||
| Cycleaddict |
duckbuell get the xb9s its total fun and has lots of character- just don't try to outrun other seeminly similiar bikes. | ||
| Blake |
"In a top gear roll on, wife in sixth gear on her 620 Monster, and my 140 pounds on an XB12 Lightning running 5th gear, she can RUN AWAY from me." Ever consider marriage counseling? | ||
| Tunes |
I would never try to take on any bike at top speed with my Buell. My bike isn't geared for it... corners and real life, everyday riding is where it lives. I can stay with anyone on any backroad with my XB12S... highway? Forget it. I look at bikes all the time and love test riding them... and rode an '06 Ducati 1000DS. Very nice. Only two things keeps me from buying one, price and ease-of-maintenance. Ride your Buell in it's element, corners, and all will be revealed, my son.  |
