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Kowpow225
Posted on Monday, September 04, 2006 - 10:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I found this while looking through their site. I think a lot of this info could be useful to some of us....er....all of us. There's two parts to the test. First an explanation of terms and the second a lab test.

Part 1.
http://www.sportrider.com/tech/146_0308_oil/

Part 2.
http://www.sportrider.com/tech/146_0310_oil/
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Kevinfromwebb
Posted on Monday, September 04, 2006 - 11:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

One thing I"m still not clear on: is the Mobil 1 15/50 a class 3 or 4 synth???

Kevin
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Whodom
Posted on Monday, September 04, 2006 - 12:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

There is some evident disinformation going around the net that Mobil 1's automotive synthetics were "downgraded" to include Group 3 components after their lawsuit against Castrol was thrown out.

From what I can find out, this is NOT true and all Mobil 1 synthetics including 15W-50 remain "true" Group 4 synthetics.
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Sparky
Posted on Monday, September 04, 2006 - 01:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Too bad they didn't include Harley-Davidson's oils in the test.

I would really like to see how Harley's oils, especially Syn3, fare good or bad when analyzed and compared with the rest of the market.
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Blake
Posted on Monday, September 04, 2006 - 06:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

ME TOO!

If there is enough interest, maybe we all could chip in and have the tests done? I'd chip in a $100 for that.
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Josh_cox
Posted on Monday, September 04, 2006 - 07:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

You would find that Syn3 would perform surprisingly like what some call a "better oil" IMO b/c it doesn't say Harley on it. VROD forums guys seem to think that Mobil 1 is the ish... http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Oils/Mobil_1_V-Twin_20W-50.aspx

Test the two side by side and you will see very, very similar results. I'd say identical if you are just looking at testing reports and not packaging.

Josh
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Starter
Posted on Monday, September 04, 2006 - 11:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Apart from the chemical analysis I wouldn't bother reading too much into the rest of part 2. Not providing the full suite of tests for each oil in the comparison is as good as not doing it at all in my opinion. HP of gains of about 2% are getting close to the realms statistical variation in the running conditions.
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Spectrum
Posted on Tuesday, September 05, 2006 - 12:07 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Blake,

I'd also like to see HD Syn-3 tested and compared to Mobil-1 V-Twin. If you can arrange that, I'd match your contribution.
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Whodom
Posted on Tuesday, September 05, 2006 - 06:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Before y'all go blowing money on an oil analysis, I suggest you search the forums at http://www.bobistheoilguy.com. There are very likely UOAs (Used Oil Analyses) posted for these oils in motorcycle usage.
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Dragonbuell12r
Posted on Tuesday, September 05, 2006 - 09:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Amsoil has a whole bunch of tests on their site which includes Mobil 1 and Syn3. Their test show Mobil 1 to be the best off the shelf oil.
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Brucelee
Posted on Tuesday, September 05, 2006 - 10:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I searched Bob's forum on Saturday and could not find used oil analysis on the HD Syn 3. None done yet.

Oil analysis is not really that expensive. You can find the details on how to do it on Bob's site.

I would love to see Syn3 tested against Red Line or M1. It is my opinion that Syn3 is a group 3 "almost syn" but without HD releasing any data on the oil or submitted it to API or JASO for testing, it is truly a "mystery oil."


That is a lot of money to charge for a "trust me" oil IMHO.
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Whodom
Posted on Tuesday, September 05, 2006 - 10:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Bruce,

Here's one for Syn3 and from a Buell rider at that:

http://theoildrop.server101.com/cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=52;t=000049
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Brucelee
Posted on Wednesday, September 06, 2006 - 10:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I emailed this guy and asked if he would post the whole report on Syn3.

Thanks
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