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Cacciola
Posted on Thursday, August 31, 2006 - 05:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Today I noticed weird thing on my fender and looking a little closer I noticed that it was melted by rubbing against the tire, but, there is NO way its rubbing fulltime, It is not loose, it is not bent.
Any Ideas?
Would riding too fast cause that? due to aerodynamics? ( No way im riding that fast too)

Have you guys ever seen something like this?

Thanks


Underside All rubbed against the tire.






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Pwnzor
Posted on Thursday, August 31, 2006 - 05:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Was it that big when you first noticed?

And verify that's the front of the fender I'm looking at?

Looks bizarre.
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Cacciola
Posted on Thursday, August 31, 2006 - 05:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

well, the real first time a noticed it i thought it was something i rode through like wet asphalt or something like that, but it was really really small, just like a little left over from the moulding process...
Yes indeed its the front fender, the way the tire spins is from inside from the outside the fender, so its even more bizarre.
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Pwnzor
Posted on Thursday, August 31, 2006 - 05:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

ok, I was going to say that looks like some dried up slurry coating, probably it was all trapped in the tread grooves and it flicked up inside the lip of the fender while hot, clings there and cools as the wind blows it up over the top, back toward the bike.

Peel it off, carefully. I bet your fender is fine.
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M1combat
Posted on Thursday, August 31, 2006 - 05:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Why are you standing on your fender while riding? That's not safe dude...


Ar the top two T27 bolts tight?
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Tbowdre
Posted on Thursday, August 31, 2006 - 05:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

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Americanmadexb
Posted on Thursday, August 31, 2006 - 05:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

i agree with Pwnzor, looks like asphalt. But its also hard to tell. The fender looks like its still there. Still has the original shape.
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Cacciola
Posted on Thursday, August 31, 2006 - 06:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Nope!! Really, its melted plastic, the pictures from underneeth it dont show it clearly, but it is all scratched, and thinner on the underside already!
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Xb12rdude
Posted on Thursday, August 31, 2006 - 06:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT HAPPEND. Just bought a new fender because of the same thing myself. I had the supension set a little light, came down hard from a wheelie because of the rev limiter and it sucked (folded) the front of the fender to the wheel. It freaked me out, I could tell something was wrong but couldn't figure it out until I pulled over. But trust, somehow you came down to hard on the front. Just got my new fender in yesterday, it only took 4 days from HD dealer I couldn't believe it.

(Message edited by xb12rdude on August 31, 2006)
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Pwnzor
Posted on Thursday, August 31, 2006 - 06:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

when you roll your bike forward, does the front wheel touch the fender at any point?
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Xbeau12s
Posted on Thursday, August 31, 2006 - 06:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

That's messed up! Looking at your profile you say it's really hot in Brazil. Maybe the hot weather is fatiguing the plastic and mixed with wind at high speeds it bends down and rubs your tire? Are those stock tires? Maybe something got stuck in there and did that? Try a new fender and see if it does the same thing. Schit, I don't know but that's wierd.
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Whodom
Posted on Thursday, August 31, 2006 - 06:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT HAPPEND. Just bought a new fender because of the same thing myself. I had the supension set a little light, came down hard from a wheelie because of the rev limiter and it sucked (folded) the front of the fender to the wheel.

That doesn't make sense, because of the rotation of the tire. The tire would tend to "spit out" the fender even if it did get caught like that.
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No_rice
Posted on Thursday, August 31, 2006 - 07:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

plus the fender is mounted to the bottom of the forks. the suspension would have no bearing on the front fender since the fender moves with the tire and axle not with the frame or top of the forks.

my guess would be MAYBE like beau says if it is getting very hot, say direct beating sun making it more flex able then the wind bending it when going down the road. but if thats the case then why isnt it a common problem?
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Pwnzor
Posted on Thursday, August 31, 2006 - 07:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Trim it off with a utility blade and forget it. Polish up the edge, good as new.
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Black_sunshine
Posted on Thursday, August 31, 2006 - 07:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

DO you do stoppies??
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Kdan
Posted on Thursday, August 31, 2006 - 08:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Stoppie tell tale. We had a 3%'er that made his fender look like that. He was stoppying.
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Cacciola
Posted on Thursday, August 31, 2006 - 10:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Wow, thanks for all the answers, I have thougth about them all, Lets start:

No Stoppies at all (wish i could : ) )

No_Rice, I know what you say makes sense, but if the fender is too flexible, and maybe i hit a bump too fast, inertia of the fender would make it stay still for a micro while and the wheel would touch the fender, right? But just for a milisecond,It wouldnt rub and melt it. so it still doesnt make sense.

Hot, hum, I really dont know about that, but I usually dont think the fender would be the main victim of the heat, as it would be getting the freshest air, and being aircooled : )

Pwnzor, no touching at all, almost an inch clearence between Tire and fender, Yes, those are stock tires!!

Xb12 rude, i thought about that, Not really with whellies, but with big bumps, but as whodom said, the tire just spins the other way!!!! It could never be stuck that way.

There are marks on the rear end of the fender, from the LSL damper support hardware, sometimes when suspension is close to full compression, it has touched the hardware, but when you press that exact spot, the front of the fender gets even farther away from the tire, making even less sense!!!

Am i cursed??

(Message edited by cacciola on August 31, 2006)
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Buellfirebolt31
Posted on Thursday, August 31, 2006 - 10:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

but i don't understand how a melted fender can cause a BIGGER fender....it looks as if it is on the outside of the original outline of the fender...don't run a fender...then it won't happen....problem solved.....
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Cacciola
Posted on Thursday, August 31, 2006 - 10:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

It rubbed against the underside of the fender melting the material from there, then, with the wheel spinning it travelled to the very tip of the fender, then with windspeed it gets cold again and start building up on top of it..
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Old_man
Posted on Thursday, August 31, 2006 - 11:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

You mention the front fender contacting the LSL damper support hardware.
Do you think it possible that the fork compresses beyond this point and bends the fender and hooks onto the support, thus lifting the back of the fender forcing the front onto the tire.
I have the same damper on my bike, when attaching the damper bracket you must be sure to have the bracket turned away furthest from the fender so that the damper is closer to the engine.
I mistakenly installed it facing the other way and noticed that it may contact the fender that way.
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Kdan
Posted on Thursday, August 31, 2006 - 11:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Has your XB been copulating with a scooter? It may be scooter herpes. Incurable, unfortunately. The offspring will be retarded Hondas. But who'll notice?
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Cacciola
Posted on Thursday, August 31, 2006 - 11:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Its mounted right!! And once it touches it, it touches the center of the rear part of the fender, not the edge, so there is no way of hooking, the only way to have it hook, is to land or hit a bump sideways, so that way i will have some more important things to worry about than a melted fender...

Scooter Herpes??? Lol, so funny, but the only partners she could have are my dads fatboy or his electra... they dont carry herpes... And if they did, it would look nicer than that!! : D
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Xb12rdude
Posted on Thursday, August 31, 2006 - 11:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

GUY's, I didn't image it or guessing. Somehow after coming down hard from a wheelie it sucked the fender and did just that on mine. If I would have taken a pic I would show you. The IMPACT of hitting somehow caught the tip of the fender, so it doesn't matter where the fender is attached to the shock. The wheel actually rubbed the underneath of the fender, not the shinny side, pushing the melted stuff up. So I can't explain how it was stock, it was a big melted mess rubbing on my front tire when I pried it loose after continuing about a 1/4 mile. I suppose the same scenerio could happen hitting a big bump or a rapid stop of some sorts.

I did just what someone suggested also, I trimmed the from of the fender and polish the edge to make it look good until the new one came in.

Keep guessing if you like, already been there. I would try to recreate it, but $70 for fender sucks.
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Slider
Posted on Friday, September 01, 2006 - 12:33 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

just cut it back...
FYI: this is not a Uly...


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Slider
Posted on Friday, September 01, 2006 - 12:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

do you think a pick-up truck backed into you in a parking lot and sat there for a minute while his hot exhaust was against your fender???..
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Diablobrian
Posted on Friday, September 01, 2006 - 01:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

possibly low air pressure causing the tire to "grow" at speed?
Is the tire stock size? (aspect ratio)
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Blake
Posted on Friday, September 01, 2006 - 02:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

If it were me I'd leave it. Pretty cool actually. Definitely a conversation piece. I'm not kidding, I'm strange like that. Your bike may be demon posessed. LOL.


Definitely one for the BadWeB X-files.
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Cacciola
Posted on Friday, September 01, 2006 - 10:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Slider, I dont think so, I only park at bike only spots, away from cars...

Diablo, Stock tires, air pressure measured 1 day before I noticed the egg.

Blake, No way!!! lol
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Xbeau12s
Posted on Friday, September 01, 2006 - 11:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Do you think someone might have some jealous envy and took a lighter or torch to your fender? If not that then definitely motorcycle demons.
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Glitch
Posted on Friday, September 01, 2006 - 11:37 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The wheel actually rubbed the underneath of the fender, not the shinny side, pushing the melted stuff up.
Not sure as to how the tire made contact, but this makes the most sense to me.
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M1combat
Posted on Friday, September 01, 2006 - 12:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Can any of the brake/clutch/oil lines on the front of the motor get too close to the rear of the fender and hook? I know they can't on mine but...
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Pwnzor
Posted on Friday, September 01, 2006 - 12:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The offspring will be retarded Hondas.

This is a cruel and insensitive statement. Those little Hondas are mentally challenged!

For shame....
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Greenlantern
Posted on Friday, September 01, 2006 - 01:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"The offspring will be retarded Hondas."
"This is a cruel and insensitive statement. "


Maybe he was talking about timing?!?
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Ted
Posted on Friday, September 01, 2006 - 03:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

add some flames to it and yer rockin!
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New12r
Posted on Friday, September 01, 2006 - 04:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

You are hitting the LSL damper under heavy front load, A fellow 3% had the same setup as you but he was doing stoppies when his fender melted.

(Message edited by new12r on September 01, 2006)
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Dpoole
Posted on Friday, September 01, 2006 - 04:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I HAVE IT!!!

A nearby, devious son (or daughter)-of-a-Bueller screwed up their parent's fender - I've no idea how. Rather than get busted by Mom or Dad, they spied your black XB, and when you weren't looking they swapped fenders!

Sounds strange, I know, but it makes more sense than anything else I've read.
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Ulywife
Posted on Friday, September 01, 2006 - 11:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

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Starter
Posted on Tuesday, September 05, 2006 - 07:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Dunno how (that much anyway...) but I would be looking at tyre growth at speed.
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