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Fl_a1a
Posted on Sunday, August 20, 2006 - 08:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

When mileage is more important than performance.

* Avon AV45/46-ST
* Bridgestone BT-020
* Dunlop D220
* Metzeler Roadtec Z6
* Michelin Macadam 100X
* Pirelli Dragon GTS

I've tried two of these. The BT-20 an Z6.

For milage I found the Z6 better the BT-20.

If you have tried two of the above tires could you share your data points.
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Bake
Posted on Sunday, August 20, 2006 - 09:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

So far my Z6 has 10,000k or roughly 6250 miles
and still looks good and handles well enough for me. My front only has 4000k so it's too early to tell.
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Pwnzor
Posted on Sunday, August 20, 2006 - 10:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Metzeler Roadtec Z6 is an excellent tire, good traction in the wet, and high mileage for the price. A very good value on a reliable tire.

I personally get about 8500 miles on the rear and 12000 on the front.
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Steve_mackay
Posted on Sunday, August 20, 2006 - 11:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

If you want a good mix of performance VS Mileage, try the Scorpion sync. I'll have about 7500-8000 miles on my rear before it needs to be replaced on my s3t
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Prof_stack
Posted on Sunday, August 20, 2006 - 11:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

A vote for the Dunlop D220's here. Great tires, I'm happy with them.
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Brucelee
Posted on Monday, August 21, 2006 - 10:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I have 7000 miles on the D220s and they look good for 10K.
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Poondogger
Posted on Monday, August 21, 2006 - 11:56 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Man I wish I knew how you guys get so many miles out of your tires. I got 4500 out of each of the last 2 Dunlop D220's (rear) on my bike. I went with a Michelin Pilot Road and I'm guessing I'll get about 5 to 6 thousand out of that one. The D220 front I just changed with about 9000 on it. Price is my driving factor FL_ala. I found the Michelin for $92, front and $121 rear.
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Pwnzor
Posted on Monday, August 21, 2006 - 01:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

you gotta not be so heavy on the throttle from a dead stop. These bikes burn out rear tires very easy. Roll the throttle back like you're on a cruiser, and your back tire will last longer.
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Rubberdown
Posted on Monday, August 21, 2006 - 01:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

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Ctyxrnr
Posted on Monday, August 21, 2006 - 01:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

6k miles on first rear Conti Road Attack. working on 6k on the front right now. currently 4k on the second rear Conti. absolutely love them. but with the special that pirelli has right now i'm going with the Corsa III's next.
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Diablobrian
Posted on Monday, August 21, 2006 - 05:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The Pirelli Diablo Strada is another higher mileage sport/touring tire.
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M2nc
Posted on Tuesday, August 22, 2006 - 12:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Diablo Stradas are okay, but they really disappointed me. They are not bad but guys talked them up so much I expected more. I have 4K on the rear and they are 2/3rds gone. I think they will top the D205 rear on the M2, but not by much. The Pirellis remind me of a Bias-Ply Tire slipping on painted lines, tar strips and following every groove in the road. The Dunlops stick better and do not follow grooves. The Dunlops are too Neutral on center though, so one plus for the Pirelli. I am going to try the Syncs next to see if they are any better. If not I will move on the the RoadTec Z6, or Conti, or Pilot Road. If they do not match the Dunlop D205, I go back to them.
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Cyclonecharlie
Posted on Tuesday, August 22, 2006 - 08:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Im surprized nobody has said anything about the Avons.I have the AV 45/46 ST on my Cyclone and never really think of them as high mileage tires. They handle great, have about 6K on them and they still look great.I have the softer Avons on my XB and although they handle great, at 4K the rear is going away fast since I moved to the straight roads of SC(depressing) I really like the predicability of the Avons when you push them...........Charlie
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Aldaytona
Posted on Tuesday, August 22, 2006 - 09:09 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I bought a pair of Metzeler Z6s for my XB12R since I seem to choose it more often than not when I leave the house, but the more I thought about the way in which I sometimes push it, I installed Metzeler M3s instead. The better mileage wasn't equal to the better piece of mind.
I only used the Dunlop D207-D208s in the past and I liked them, just thinking about more tire life.
Installing my own tires offsets the more frequent tire changes.
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Fl_a1a
Posted on Tuesday, August 22, 2006 - 06:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Another member on this board mentioned getting 13,000 miles on the Metzler Z6.

Anyone see this distance on the Z6? My own experience is good so far. I have about 4k the z6 rear and still looks brand new.
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Josh_
Posted on Wednesday, August 23, 2006 - 09:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I put two track days and 9500 miles on a rear Z6 and had more miles to go when I swapped. This was on a FJR1300 so a lighter less powerful bike ought to get more out of one.

Also, the Z6s work great on a track. Plenty of traction, great feedback, quick recovery from overheating (very little "greasy" feeling if you cook it a little). I ran Dunlop Qualifiers at my last track day but would just as soon run the Z6s
Note that I've now changed to Diablo Strada's as they are very similar too yet slightly better then the Z6.
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Kowpow225
Posted on Thursday, August 24, 2006 - 08:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Michelin pilot roads are in this category too.
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Chadhargis
Posted on Friday, August 25, 2006 - 01:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I'm a big Diablo Strada fan. I've noticed no slipping or other negative behavior from the tire. They seem to be an excellent compromise between an ST tire and a pure sport tire. I typically get 4000-5000 miles out of a rear, and about double that from a front (two rears to a front).
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Oneway
Posted on Friday, August 25, 2006 - 01:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I need to ride with u guys 3500ml and mine are toast. After switching to a "sport tour" tire do u give up much in performance or handling to make a difference?
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Josh_
Posted on Friday, August 25, 2006 - 02:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Depends on the tires, but I think with the Dunlop Qualifiers vs the Metzeler Z6, you mostly give up the ability to handle heat. it's harder to cook the Dunlops and they recover quicker. Note that the Z6 vs the z4 (and Dunlo 205) was a much larger difference in handling heat.

Having run the Qualifiers, Z6s, Z4s and 205s at Road America (on a Buell S3 and Yamaha FJR1300) the 205 and Z4s would take about a full lap to recover if I cooked the back tire (either by over-braking, poor clutch management or too much throttle)(by cooked I mean the greasy feeling they get when you push them too far, I've only done it once on the street and that was with Z4s).

The Z6s took one corner, the Qualifiers were fine before the next corner (note RA is a huge track with big straights).

I also noticed that the Diablo Stradas have more of a "round" profile vs the more "sharp" profile of the z6. The Z6s turn quicker but the Strada's feel more "comfortable" or maybe "stable". I'm not sure which I prefer.
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Fulgur
Posted on Friday, August 25, 2006 - 02:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I got 8000km out of the stockers on my 2005 XB12R and 18000km out of the Avon AV45/46-ST I had next. Both front and rear were up at the same time (about). That is on a mix of touring, commuting and playing. I am on the Bridgestone BT-020 at the moment. Done 4000km and look good so far.
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