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Putmanadm
Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 01:00 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

When I do wheelies, Im usually in first gear and I wind the rpm's up to about 4k then pull in clutch let revs go higher, and then pop it.
Am I looking at cutting the life expectancy of my drive belt or other internal parts by doing this?
Has anybody ever broke a belt by doing this? Im on an xb9 by the way
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Xbeau12s
Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 01:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

don't pop your clutch. That will shorten the life of the clutch considerably. Get rolling about 20-30mph in 1st, roll the throttle quickly to kind of pre-load the front end then roll the throttle again and grab - should come up easy this way. Better on clutch and belt.
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Suprman12r
Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 09:07 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

i'm with xbeau on this one. i get it up to about 4,500 rpm's close the throttle then open it up real quick. front end comes up everytime. have fun and take it easy.
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Fzrider
Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 09:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I find that first gear wheelies are bad for the transmission/engine as you hit rev limiter too quickly that shift/grind gear at 7,000RPM. Try in second gear by feathering the clutch. It is so smooth for the bike and you can 'keep it up' much longer, which is more satisfying.
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New12r
Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 01:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

All the stunter use the clutch, bad for the clutch better for the wheelie. come to Atl and I will show you.
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Olinxb12r
Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 02:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Use the clutch! Don't worry about your clutch. They are pretty beefy. I've only burned out one clutch in 13,000 miles and I ride wheelies constantly in the first 3 gears. The only reason that I've even burned up one clutch was from trying to learn rolling burnouts. I bet my original clutch would still be there if I hadn't tried that!
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Suprman12r
Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 06:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

how are you guys gettin em up in 2nd? what rpm do you pull in the clutch? what do you rev it to before you dump it? are you on the pass. pegs? give the suspension little/lot of bounce? i've been tryin to do it in 2nd but can't ever get it up real high/far
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Kccyclone
Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 07:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Suprman12r
It's more of a feel then actually looking at the tach...2nd gear going between 25 and 30 mph...sittin' down w/ no bounce...Just keep practicing bringing up your rpm's with each attempt until you find it...and cover your brake...
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Fzrider
Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 08:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The slower you initiate the wheelie in second gear the easier it will lift and most importantly, the less wear and tear on the bike because you can be smoother with feathering the clutch as opposed to the need to rev and dump the clutch at higher speed in second gear.
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Cmm213
Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 09:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Hey new12R I can run all the way through 2nd gear to redline on one wheel but am having trouble shifting in the air to third. I could shift all my old I4's to 4th gear in a wheelie but cant find the best way to on the buell. Any tips for shifting a 9s to third in the air?
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Xb12rdude
Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 09:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

bounce-um, bounce-um.......no strain on the clutch at all. can pull-um up in 3rd gear with no clutch. Clutching them up won't hurt much either, it's just a preference thing from here.
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Duff24
Posted on Thursday, August 17, 2006 - 01:00 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Knock on wood - I've clutched up wheelies for about 20,000 miles now without any belt problems on an 03 9s...

Cmm213, I been doin shifteys for a while now. In second, you really gotta be close to the balance point, and sit back on the seat w/o fallin off. A little higher in the rpm's will help, but you gotta be pretty quick if you're using the clutch while shifting in the air. If you're really good, you can pull 3rd up to the balance point and shift into 4th real quick.

I've never really like 1st gear wheelies past 20 mph, kinda hard on the motor at that angle and rather pointless, as you'll run outta rpm's.

Olinxb12r was tellin me he used to do shiftys w/o using the clutch, but I found it kinda jerky that way. Me and him have kinda been teachin and learnin from each other out here in KC. My bike's slowly turnin into a stunt bike, it's only a matter o time before i get the full handbrake set up.

All I can say guys is keep that rear covered and practice, practice, practice. That's the only way it'll make any sense. And enjoy!

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Olinxb12r
Posted on Thursday, August 17, 2006 - 10:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Search a little in the Knowledge Vault under the XB Board for Wheely/Wheelie threads. There are a ton of them. As Duff and KCcyclone have said cover the rear brake and practice all the time. Don't try to do any long 2nd and 3rd gear balance wheelies untill you have experimented a lot with the rear brake because it will save your ass! Duff has mastered the rear brake and riding slow wheelies, and I've been riding a lot of speed wheelies (not lately because I've had a broken belt for a couple weeks). I want to start practicing the slow stuff and working on not gaining any speed at all with the front end up. As for shifting, if you are still running out to redline I would not recommend shifting. If you are at the balance point you can shift without the bike lurching back past 12 o'clock because you can let off the gas or pull in the clutch. If you are not at the balance point and you shift without the clutch it will lurch badly, and with the clutch the bike will just come down from the wheely.
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Buell920
Posted on Thursday, August 17, 2006 - 02:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Here is my 2 cents

I found that "poping" or sliping the clutch was a little harder than I thought. what I did was took the rear shock and made it a little softer and drop the tire presure about 10 psi. this mad it very easy to pull the front end up with a roll-on thr. after I got better I put the air back in the tire and did it some more. By what others have said about rolling off the thr and back on it, what happens there is the rear susp expands all the way out giving you the travel need to pull the front end up. by doing what I stated it gives the susp the motion it needs with out roll off-on throttle just a nice smooth roll on is all it takes now.

just my 2 cents
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Dtx
Posted on Thursday, August 17, 2006 - 08:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Dang Duff! I don't even know you anymore!
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