| Author | Message | ||
     Earwig |
I know everyone likes the v-twin on the Buells for the low end torque or whatever (I am one of them)...but I am curious, if the Hyabusa and ZX-14 can produce massive low end torque and super high horsepower... why not put an I-4 in the Buell and tune it similar to how the Hyabusa and ZX-14 are? If I am sounding retarded just say so  | ||
| Cadhopper |
BLASPHIMER  Just kidding. One of the reasons I bought a Buell is because it's a V-Twin. If the bike had an I-4 I personally would not have taken a second look. But thats just me.  Also, I don't think the Buell would be very stable at the speeds that the ZX-14 and Hayabusa will travel. (Message edited by cadhopper on August 03, 2006) | ||
| M1combat |
It wouldn't exactly fit I don't think. Also... The engine is an integral part of the handling. It would require some EXCEEDINGLY extensive modifications to both the engine, frame and swingarm. It wouldn't handle quite like the current Buell because the CM and roll center would be significantly different. I do think that it would be neat to put a hopped up 916 engine in a Buell though. That said... I'd rather keep the current engine and put a bunch of money in it... To each their own I suppose . | ||
| Drift |
Your sounding retarted.  | ||
| Rubdoggy |
i rode a busa and felt no low end at all. not the responsive pull we get from buell anyway. | ||
| Rich |
I rode my Buell on I-4 today. | ||
| Curtyd |
I thought it was just ME, back and forth to St. Pete from the "Mouse Haus", with my RACE Kit put on there, for the ride back. Earplugs are looking better, and she seems to "rev up" a bit quicker, YIPPPEE | ||
| Fl_a1a |
I you want that you can buy it now, it called the Suzuki Bandit 1200. It comes in a naked and R-type half fairing. It was one of my last bikes. They are reliable and cheap used. That bike also has a loyal following with people on the net. But any I-4 are still just sucky in comparision. He the list of why it would be shit: -It is too hot. -It has to many moving parts, tune ups are $$$ -it is heavy -it hi-pitched vibration vs. a v-twin rumble. Buell and Ducks use v-twins cause they know what is best. | ||
| Earwig |
heh... i didnt mean the current Buells, I meant future designs. | ||
| Old_man |
Anything is possible, They COULD put a V8 in it, but then it wouldn't be what I like. If you are looking for tremendous horsepower look elsewhere. | ||
| Percyco |
Buell is owned by HARLEY DAVIDSON, H-D is famous for the V-twin pushrod aircooled engine . Repeat after me I.....R.......Tarded  | ||
| Jaimec |
And from 1923 to 1984, BMW was known for a flat twin, push rod air cooled engine. Your point? | ||
| Jandj_davis |
I think the way to go would be a V-4. Look at the MotoGP line-up. How many of those bikes are running I-4's? Kawasaki and Yamaha are the only two I can think of. Not Honda (V5), or Ducati (V4), or Suzuki(V4), or TeamKR (V5). Somebody was wanting to run a V-6 (KTM and somebody else, maybe Piaggio or something). I think the reason V-4's have not caught on, at least here in the US, is because they are harder to work on. But, with Buell's engineering prowess, I'll bet they could make it work. My vote is for a V-4 that doesn't require a serious paycheck (ahem ... VFR) every maintenance period. With the tiny size of some of todays parallel twins, I can't imagine it would be too hard to make a v-4 fit in place of that huge V-twin lump. | ||
| Curtyd |
TWO-STROKE, two-stroke, two stroke... solves all the weight/HP problems with existing technology. "RING a DING DING..." | ||
| Aldaytona |
BMW is STILL known for it's flat twins, but they make some other cool bikes as well.  | ||
| Kowpow225 |
 I can see it now. Coming in the house smelling like smoke and changing fouled plugs more than we already do. Very comical. I LOVE 2-strokes, but not on a streetbike. Who knows, maybe one day we'll all be talking about which expansion chamber to put on? | ||
| Curtyd |
I toured my RZ 350 thru the Smoky Mts. and back to Fla. and met a guy with 40K miles on his stock RD 400. The problem with fouled plugs is when you go to pre-mix and add too much oil to the gas instead of a reliable autolube. Being simpler there is no mechanical reason they can't be MORE reliable. Ran a 5hp Nissan outboard pushing a 24 foot sailboat all around the coast of Fla. They don't even put air cleaners on those and you generally run them wide open. Maybe you just don't know enough about them. Here is "BACK at you"... (Message edited by CURTYD on August 04, 2006) | ||
| Teeps |
Jaimec Posted on Thursday, August 03, 2006 And from 1923 to 1984, BMW was known for a flat twin, push rod air cooled engine. Your point? Exactly, in my book, it's not a BMW if it has more than 2 cylinders pointing anyway from each other on the same flat line. | ||
| Old_man |
I still have a 1975 Suzuki GT750, 3 cylinder, 2 stroke. It doesn't smoke and I have never had to change a fouled plug. That said, I'm sure it would not be up to EPA standards, if sold new today. But with the latest tech, I'd bet a 2 stroke could meet the standards. | ||
| Curtyd |
I read years ago, H/D bought a license for use of CLEAN two stroke technology. HONDA has it too. It's an injection system of some sort, I think. | ||
| Jaimec |
As far as I'm concerned, it's not a "Real BMW" if it has more than two WHEELS. | ||
| Rocketman |
I assume after what I've read on BadWeB for getting on eight years, Erik Buell loves the air cooled V twin. The differences in how V twins deliver their power compared to IL4's. I don't believe IL4's are favoured by EB either. Then there's the added weight of liquid cooling and the styling necessary to accommodate it if an IL4 required such. There are many reason. Some personal perhaps. Some corporate, and some design. Either way, I don't see Buell ever going down the multi cylinder route. At least not anytime soon. Rocket | ||
| Curtyd |
Although Erik built a two-stroke racebike, I too doubt he moves very far away from the Sportster motor. At least not until HD releases another motor. Probably HD sees the only advantage to carrying the BUELL line is just because it does showcase one of their motors, in a 'sportbike'-type venue, or why own it in the first place? | ||
| Grimel |
1) the 'busa and ZX-14 have low torque relative to a 4 cyl and they have a real (and steep torque curve. 2) the Buell V-twin has a relatively flat torque curve that is mostly predictable. If you don't believe me (and you shouldn't) find a buddy/rider with a 'busa/ZX-14. Both of you drop down to 2000rpm in top gear then hammer it. Then go find a nice uphill medium twisty spot. Take it in 3rd gear. Get back to me with who wins. It is MUCH easier to go fast with a twin than a 4. My V-4 makes the same HP and torque as the XB12's. I can eat any Buell in a full power drag race. Do a low RPM roll on and I'll lag waaaaaay behind until I come into my power band. I will catch you given enough road. 2 big pistons makes wide usable torque, 4 small pistons makes small torque spinning fast for big HP numbers. | ||
| Josh_ |
Yeah, lets put a I4 in a Buell so they too can get poor gas mileage and require a catalytic converter to pass emissions, have throttle bodies to sync, multiple counter balancers to keep it from shaking apart yet still have a high-rpm buzz that will put your hands to sleep. Where do I sign? | ||
| Dako |
I am we Todd did. I am sofa king we Todd did read it fast sorry, had to be done!  | ||
| Bloose |
If anything why not a air cooled push rod V twin with a 4 valve head? Now that would be cool. B | ||
| Diablobrian |
because the webbing between the exhaust valves fails. | ||
| Eboos |
Building a Hayabusaish Buell with a I-4 would be a step in the wrong direction if you ask me. | ||
| Xb9ser |
A large part of the reson I bought a buell was the V twin.I like the sound, the torque,the look.If it was I4 it would just be another cookie cutter bike.I with some other badwebbers rode the dragon about a month ago.It was nice to leave it in 3rd gear and ride not alot of wasted shifting!More horsepower would be nice but myself think it is not needed. A friend had a ZX12 it was stupidly fast.After rideing a few buells he said that was all power you needed on the street.He sold the ZX12 and is currently looking for a Buell!!by the way he has a gsxr 750 track bike still but wants a Buell |
