| Author | Message | ||
     Revperf |
BTW, it went over kinda like I thought it would. | ||
| Thepup |
Looked through the rules... What about "con-rods? Pistons? cylinder sleeves? Yeah... the heads have to be the "stock heads" but it doesn't say you can't work them... It's a moot point though Pup... The Japanese factory teams spend more on an IL4600 than Buell does. A lot more. Why can't you just accept the fact that Buell did well? You understand very little about engines and racing." So what part of the XBRR engine is the same as stock?Another thing,I never said Buell didn't do well,I said that the Japanese 600's are closer to stock than the Buell.I don't know anything about racing and engines,but you do?what a joke,M1 is the Buell XBRR engine closer to stock than the Japanese 600's?Remeber your little challenge about naming a bike with more torque than a XB12 with less displacement?I wouldn't go to far out on a limb with any of your answers. | ||
| Thepup |
Here's another one for you.Was the Suzuki that finished infront of the XBRR a factory effort?how about all the bikes that finished in front of the Buell at Daytona,where they factory?How about Infineon?I have a Buell and I like it,I have never been interested in watching a race,but I watched it,with that said,I am not going to act like an eighth place finish is the greatest thing in the world.They finished,they are getting better,get over it. | ||
| Stealthxb |
I have never been interested in watching a race Then why do you feel the need to comment on racing related threads? | ||
| Hattori_hanzo |
You are likely right on this but why would we care? Personally, I don't care. I'm just trying to generalize a bit. I find it amusing how both sides (bashers and supporters) are so eager to get frothed up about it. You've got guys with a half EMPTY glass of water, you've got guys with a half FULL glass of water...me, I just have a half a glass of water. One thing that shocks me is how many of the naysayers haven't picked up on the fact that Michael Barnes is riding pretty damn well this season (4th at Road America, 5th at Infineon and Laguna, and a 7th at Miller)...on a Suzuki GSXR! | ||
| Bads1 |
Hey Pup I don't think you were watching very well. The Suzuki that finished infront of XBRR wasn't a Suzuki it was a Honda and that was Aaron Gobert aboard a Erion Honda "Factory" supported bike. | ||
| Thepup |
Bads1,I guess they lied on the AMA website,they have a Suzuki finishing 5th.I guess thats not in front of the Buell. | ||
| Thepup |
"Then why do you feel the need to comment on racing related threads?" Because I feel like it. | ||
| Odinbueller |
 Can we move on? The simple fact of the matter is, each step of the developmental process, Buell got in writing the approval of the AMA for the XBRR in competition for Formula Xtreme. Period. We're putting the first "A" back into the AMA. | ||
| Mutation_racer |
were the hell is our XBRR | ||
| Bads1 |
You didn't say 5th spot in your post you just said infront. That would be Michael Barnes "factory supported"AMA didn't lie either did I. | ||
| Thepup |
I believe that 5th is in front of 8th,but I guess i was wrong. | ||
| Bads1 |
So was 6th and 7th you just forgot to throw those in there.  | ||
| Thepup |
No,I didn't throw those in there because I knew they were factory teams,the Suzuki wasn't. | ||
| Bads1 |
Sorry bud but team M4 EMGO is factory supported. | ||
| Indy_bueller |
I think there are just some people that won't be satisfied until a completely stock Buell rolls onto the track from the street and wins the race. But then again, faced with that situation, they would make vague comments about how Buell "cheated" or has AMA in thier pocket now that Erik is on the board....whatever. The XBRR costs less than one tenth of what the top Japanese I-4 bikes cost. It isn't completely stock, but then neither are the competitors bikes. You can argue all day long, but the fact is that Erik and his staff had to be EXTREMELY careful building this bike to be "legal" otherwise it would have been a wasted effort. It is legal. Period. AMA said so in no uncertain terms. Get over it. I'd like to see the level of scrutiny directed at the XBRR turned on all the other competitors in the field, I'll bet we would learn some interesting things. | ||
| Indy_bueller |
My Grandfather had a good saying. "Every time you point your finger at someone, you are pointing three at yourself." I wonder what the fingers pointing back at the loudest complainers among the competitors and manufacturers in FX would reveal? | ||
| Indy_bueller |
This is the definitive word on the subject from AMA Racing: AMA PRO RACING CONFIRMS BUELL FORMULA XTREME ELIGIBILITY February 10, 2006 AMA Pro Racing confirmed today that the Buell XBRR motorcycle, the race-kitted variant of the road-going XB12R, is eligible for competition in the AMA Formula Xtreme Series. In making the announcement AMA Pro Racing Director of Competition, Merrill Vanderslice noted that AMA Pro Racing technical personnel have inspected the motorcycle and it was determined that Buell has met the requirements for the XBRR to be eligible for AMA Formula Xtreme. “By design, Formula Xtreme rules are the most liberal of all the classes within the AMA Superbike Championship,” stated Vanderslice. “The class was created with broad equipment parameters and air-cooled V-twins are afforded the most latitude. Buell has based this motorcycle on its XB12R street bike and the modifications made are within the rules allowed in the class.” Vanderslice acknowledged that a press release distributed by Buell to announce the motorcycle may have created some confusion as to the bike’s eligibility. “Regardless of the wording in the release, the bottom line is that Buell has produced a racetrack version of an existing street motorcycle and modified it within the rules,” he noted. “We were aware of Buell’s plans and inspected the motorcycle on Friday, Feb. 3 as part of the approval process. “The intent of the Formula Xtreme class is to include a diverse group of motorcycles, and we welcome Buell’s increased participation in AMA championship racing. We are confident the company’s inclusion will enhance the sport of motorcycle road racing.” 'Nuff said. | ||
| Thepup |
So Buell basically came in last when it came to factory supported teams.Suzuki doesn't spend the money in FX like the other factories do,they concentrate on the other Superstock and Supersport.Yeah,lets hear it for Buell,their full on factory bike beat a bunch of privateers. | ||
| Bads1 |
Indy my friend I know but are friend Pup might not.  | ||
| Thepup |
Indy,the Buell is legal,so what,but to say it is closer to stock than the other bikes is wrong. | ||
| Thepup |
Come on Indy,a stock Buell finishing a race in FX and being competitive,good joke. | ||
| Bads1 |
Oh brother see ya man your a lost puppy.  | ||
| Thepup |
Are you saying a stock Buell would be competitivein FX? | ||
| Indy_bueller |
Come on Indy,a stock Buell finishing a race in FX and being competitive,good joke. Well, just exactly WHEN will you be satisfied and stop bitching about every little detail? Pup, you NEVER have anything positive to say about Buell but you turn around and say you like them. I'm finding it hard to believe. Indy,the Buell is legal,so what,but to say it is closer to stock than the other bikes is wrong. Just how the heck do you know that for sure? Are you a AMA motorcycle inspector? What do you base that assumption on? You said yourself you pay little attention to racing! How can you then assert what is legal and what isn't? | ||
| Indy_bueller |
Are you saying a stock Buell would be competitivein FX? No. Read that post again. | ||
| Thepup |
Indy read the rules,the 600's are closer to stock than the Buell. | ||
| Thepup |
Indy,I live in this place called reality.I know the Buell is a great street bike,I just understand it is not going to be great race bike in the big time classes.I guess if you don't worship at the Buell alter ,you don't like Buell,sorry,I am not a blind follower. | ||
| Indy_bueller |
Indy read the rules,the 600's are closer to stock than the Buell. Ah yes, the rules say they are closer to stock. Then again, I've never seen a stock CBR600RR sell for $300,000. Or $150,000. Or $75,000. Or $37,500. Or $18,750. At $9,375 we are getting close. Lets round it off to an even $9,000. (MSRP on a CBR600RR is $8,999) 9,000/300,000 = 3%. So a CBR600RR (stock) costs 3% of what a full-out race version does. Yea, thats stock alright. But hey, does that make every CBR600RR owner a 3%er? | ||
| Percyco |
Yeah,lets hear it for Buell,their full on factory bike beat a bunch of privateers. Huh ? A dealer from London is full on factory ?  just understand it is not going to be great race bike in the big time classes. Hmmmm...they said that about the NHRA Screamin Eagle Vance & Hines V-Rod too. Besides after the 3rd try they hit 8th place, how many were in that race ?....I heard about 35 bikes. Not bad for a piece of $hit push-rod John Deere wanna-be.  |
