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Coastie
Posted on Friday, July 21, 2006 - 06:34 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I can appreciate the aesthetic difference, but is there much of a difference in heat protection? ( I like the look of ceramic coated over heat wrap tape. )

I’d imagine heat tape being thicker and porous will trap more heat in and allow less to escape to the riders leg, is that a correct assumption?

Also when people have them ceramic coated, why do they do the inside as well? Does that have any negative affect?

(Message edited by coastie on July 21, 2006)
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Ponytail
Posted on Friday, July 21, 2006 - 09:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

No negative affect on inside coating. Only Positive. It's a thin coating, so if restriction is your concern, it shouldn't be.

They do inside and out for better flow and insulation.

Check out Jet-Hot coatings website. That's where I'll be sending mine. They've got a new Sterling Silver coating that looks pretty sweet. They'll send you an information packet and short video to explain the benefits. And for approx $120 for head and can, ya can't beat it if for looks alone.
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Coastie
Posted on Friday, July 21, 2006 - 12:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Does the ceramic coating have similar insulating properties (heat to the riders leg) as the wrap?
Looking at the jet-hot web page, I can see a temp difference graph, but it looks like the wrap may be a lot better to protect the rider.
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Coastie
Posted on Friday, July 21, 2006 - 12:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Also, how much of a PITA is it to remove the headers?
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Fran_dog
Posted on Friday, July 21, 2006 - 02:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Check the Knowledge Vault. You'll find a lot of good info there. Here are a couple of links.

http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/3842/179639.html?1146019343

http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/3842/182918.html?1143233156
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Coastie
Posted on Friday, July 21, 2006 - 03:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Great, thank you for the links !
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Xb12rdude
Posted on Friday, July 21, 2006 - 04:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I've read where the ceramic coating will reduce heat on the header by 175deg and definitely moves heat away from the engine and out the muffler better.
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Lost_in_ohio
Posted on Friday, July 21, 2006 - 09:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I just wrapped mine tonight.....Started to rain so I didnt get to see if it is cooler.
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Firebolteric_ma
Posted on Friday, July 21, 2006 - 10:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

it will be cooler for sure!
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Bigbuell
Posted on Saturday, July 22, 2006 - 01:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I had mine jet coated and what a difference in temp on my leg and the fan seems to come on a little less. And it looks great too! I paid about 80 bucks for mine to be coated. I was thinking about rapping the back header about a 1/4 ways back, this might keep more of the heat off the back of the motor and my leg. Any ways here's a picture of the bike with the exhaust coating.

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Coastie
Posted on Saturday, July 22, 2006 - 08:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

cool, nice picture!
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Brucelee
Posted on Saturday, July 22, 2006 - 10:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Jet Hot is def. a nice option and it looks great too.
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Lost_in_ohio
Posted on Saturday, July 22, 2006 - 09:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Well rode mine today with tape wrap....it is definately cooler. Used black thermo-tec from Jegs and then painted it witht the recommended paint.

I will post some pics but I am not exactly sure how.
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Lost_in_ohio
Posted on Saturday, July 22, 2006 - 10:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I am going to try to up load pics

Before....Painfully ugly

Wrapped.....Looks better.

Reassembled.....much better.
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Coastie
Posted on Saturday, July 22, 2006 - 10:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

nice : )
Was the scoop a simple bolt on mod with no drilling or anything required?
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Bigbuell
Posted on Sunday, July 23, 2006 - 12:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Hey, lost in Ohio, nice job on rapping the pipe. Looks good. Also love the scoop. Where did you get it and how much did it cost. I'm wondering if that scoop wood fit a SS Long frame. Does anyone on the board know this.
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Lost_in_ohio
Posted on Sunday, July 23, 2006 - 01:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Thx.

The bike is a long and mounting the scoop was simple bolt on affair. 10 minute job. Lots of loc tit please.


The scoop is a Ilmberger from trojan....one of the site sponsors. Took bout two weeks to get it less than that was shipping from trojan......With exchange rate and all it was round $300. I will say I am very pleased with the quality the fiber is laid down perfect with no flaws in the pattern.

britnett-carver.co.uk/Trojan-Horse/prods/202.html

I am going to order the matching right side scoop pretty soon or am I gonna bob that ugly tail first. Not sure yet.

shhhh don't tell my wife.
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Rigman
Posted on Sunday, July 23, 2006 - 10:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Did you wrap the pipes on the bike?
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Lost_in_ohio
Posted on Sunday, July 23, 2006 - 12:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Yes I did. Did you have some questions????
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Robxb
Posted on Sunday, July 23, 2006 - 12:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)



I used the company Jet-Hot. They coat them inside and out, great quality finish and easy to clean. It also matches the race can coating.
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Bigbuell
Posted on Sunday, July 23, 2006 - 08:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Thanks Lost in Ohio, I didn't notice the frame difference and the timing cover. I really like the scoop. I also would like a carbon fiber scoop for both sides too. I just don't like the price. But it looks nice.
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Pcmodeler
Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 02:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Mine is in the shop getting coated right now. Now granted, this may be partially sales talk, but the tech told me that one of the problems with the wrap is that it keeps moisture inside the pipe (condensation) and moisture under and within the wrap itself. I guess it can lead to failure of the header.
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Lorazepam
Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 02:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

PC modeler, I think any moisture that builds on my pipes will burn off, since they run way hotter than water boils.

The wrap has a coating you spray on that seems to keep the moisture out of the cloth.



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Lost_in_ohio
Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 02:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I agree with Lorazepam. I bet that the pipe gets over 400 degrees.....the stuff you spray the wrap with is good for 2000 degrees. The bike runs much cooler after three days of running with it wrapped.
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Jerseybuell
Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 11:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Had my first spirited ride today with the header wrap (used the spray). There is a definite heat reduction and I really like the look... very cool..just needed to get past the toxic fumes at stop lights.
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Lost_in_ohio
Posted on Tuesday, July 25, 2006 - 09:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Yep....I stinks for a while. I pulled up to the first light in a cloud of smoke. Man where they smoking. Not to bad after 4 or 5 days of riding.
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Jerseybuell
Posted on Tuesday, July 25, 2006 - 09:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Yeah, it wasn't too bad this morning on the way to work. They cured into a cast-like shell. One less thing to polish, for now...I dunno, it gives the bike a textured, industrial look like one of those contraptions from a Mad Max flick. We'll see about the long term integrity of the headers...
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Lost_in_ohio
Posted on Tuesday, July 25, 2006 - 09:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Mad max is a good comparison.....I does fit image.
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Firebolteric_ma
Posted on Tuesday, July 25, 2006 - 09:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

you will need to touch them up every once in a while. i live in new england and hit it twice per year.

been on the bike two years now and look almost as good as the day they went on. could get another 2 years from them. the heat is down and thats what i cared about.
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Jerseybuell
Posted on Tuesday, July 25, 2006 - 10:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Good to know there were no long-term adverse effects so far, on yours at least..I agree, as long as the heat is down a bit, it works for me..
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Mb182
Posted on Tuesday, July 25, 2006 - 12:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

After pricing the wrap and spray i think i will wait till winter and go the Jet Hot route..

I have had ceramic coated pipes before and upkeep is simple.

MB
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Lost_in_ohio
Posted on Tuesday, July 25, 2006 - 02:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

cost?????? I have $60 bucks in it.
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Mb182
Posted on Tuesday, July 25, 2006 - 09:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Yes and the ceramic is like $80

MB
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Lost_in_ohio
Posted on Tuesday, July 25, 2006 - 09:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Ok you win......

I am happy with my choice


Peace
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