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     Johnnyzoomzoom |
I am currently running a D&D on my XB12 and was toying with the idea of selling it and going to the Jardine. For anyone that has a Jardine, please speak up and give me the good and bad as well as those who have owned both to compare and contrast the two. Here is a pic of the bike with the D&D. Thanks for the help! http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g46/Johnnyzoomzoom/P1010021.jpg P.s. Not trying to be rude, please no Drummer plugs. (Message edited by johnnyzoomzoom on July 17, 2006) | ||
| Pwnzor |
Johnny have you seen the exhaust shootout from American Sport Bike? It has all the info you could ever want. If its just the testimonial you want, I'm sure we are minutes away from a barrage of input! | ||
| Johnnyzoomzoom |
I have the Exhaust shoot out downloaded, but I'm more interested in actual opinions, personal tastes, likes and dislikes. I appreciate whatever any of you can provide. | ||
| Buckinfuell |
Johnny, I'm curious as to why you want to switch from D&D to Jardine? I'm not saying it is a good or bad idea, just wondering what your thoughts are... | ||
| Odinbueller |
We run the TI Force system. Not exactly loud (which I dig) but it makes a good amount of power. Nice and light, too. No dyno charts to speak of, just rider input. Chris | ||
| Johnnyzoomzoom |
Buckinfuell, that's the question of the day isn't it. I really just want to see what some other exhaust will do, not do, look, sound, etc. It's cheaper and I if I don't like it, I can sell it and try something else. I just want to hear what the Jardine owners think. Odin, buddy I would love to own the TiForce system! It is absolutely the best looking system I've seen, in my opinion. $1300.00 is lot to part with though. I am saving my pennies for it. | ||
| Thansesxb9rs |
Well I own neither but have had a chance to witness both in action. The major problem with the Jardine is the cowling mounts breaking, rivets breaking or coming loose, and the packing needing to be replaced. The D&D as far as I know does not need any maintance like the Jardine. My roommate and a friend both have the Jardine and have both had to send off for a replacement, another buddy has the D&D and has had no problems. As far as riding the bikes, I really have not noticed any major differnence in power between the two. | ||
| Speedfreaks101 |
If you are going for looks then it is hard to say since it is all about taste. If I were going for looks I would have the D&D ceramic coated. The D&D is more practical. The reason I say this is that the D&D keeps the jacking plate and makes maintenance much easier. With the Jardine you have to remove the can, then use a couple of 2x6's under the bike then jack it up. Kind of a pain. With the Jardine you have to repack the muffler every so often (although I think I have cured that issue). The overall volume of the pipes are about the same but when the material blows out of the Jardine it is much louder. I run a Jardine on a 9 and rode with 2 D&D's this past weekend (both on 12's) and my pipe fully packed is still about the same volume. The Jardine pops (on de acceleration) more than any other pipe I have seen to date. This contributes to another issue. If you do not keep the Jardine packed then the muffler will tear around the rivets. The reason for this is that the popping is actually explosions inside the muffler and the packing absorbs the impact. When the packing is gone it forces the can to take the brunt of the force. So in turn the can tears. The solution is two fold. One you keep the can packed and two if you buy a Jardine muffler, then buy the titanium version (it is a more durable material). IMO Jardine built the pipe incorrectly. If the end caps were on the outside of the can then there would have never been a single issue with the rivets pulling through or tearing the can. I am not trying to make the Jardine sound all bad. When I took my stock can off I was amazed how much lighter the bike felt with the Jardine. It made a BIG difference for me. Also the new mounts for the lower fairing have been much improved and don't have the issues the old brackets did. You already have the dyno shootout results so there is no need go any further, but I will say I would take a Special Op's over either one. | ||
| Diablobrian |
Personally, I like my Jardine (Aluminum) it looks good, and sounds good, In fact I get many admiring looks from local H-D riders. I have a full fairing, so I can't say anything about the chin fairing mounts. I don't use them. But I have heard they are very good about replacing them (usually for free) and they have re-designed the mount to be stronger than the original. With the better mapping we have available through direct link reducing the popping on decelleration the packing should last a lot longer than in the past as well. Mine has a custom map and hardly pops, and I haven't had to re-pack it yet. I also don't see repacking a can as that big of a deal. I've done it on dirt and street bikes for years now, so it doesn't bother me. If you pay attention to when the packing is coming out you should have no problem with the rivets tearing out. That always happens either on race bikes or after the packing is gone. I also like the fact that if I want to I can turn the volume of the exhaust down with the "quiet core" module in about a minute if the bike is half way cool with one allen wrench. makes slipping into the neighborhood late, or out early in the morning without upsetting the neighbors a much easier thing. If you have the shootout downloaded then I don't have to tell you about performance. The chart tells the tale. All in all it's a good pipe. If I was to change pipes it would only be for one of 3 otherwise I'm keeping the Jardine. Those 3? 1) Drummer C-F (when it becomes available)or aluminum. 2) the Micron (quiet performance and exotic looks) 3) a derivative of the XBRR pipe (that quiet and enough flow for 150hp? sweet!) As you may have noticed I'm not a fan of noise for the sake of noise. Performance HAS to come first in my book. | ||
| Pupu |
i have the d and d, and my buddy has the jardine, i like the d and d sound better, but i like the harley sound. but for me it is the jack point, my bike is on an atv lift now, just sitting there with no wheels waiting for tires, not a worry in the world. i think you really have to hear the pipes yourself and look at them in person. sound clips dont do any of them justice, to me they all sound the same on the computer. | ||
| Buellfirebolt31 |
i have the jardine c-f...i love the way it sounds....extremely loud at 7 grand. to cruise with it is awesome and boy do i get looks...jardine is really deep sound and when you twist it...yeah its good..haven't repacked it yet...i get the decel pop but i think it adds character..i like it... jmo | ||
| Bads1 |
I've heard lots of Jardines and ridden with them but none of them compare to the volume my D&D puts out. Thats why I'm replacing it to another brand. To the guys that want volume the D&D is the winner. | ||
| Rich |
I had a Jardine on my 12S, but thought it was too loud. I sold it, and replaced it with the race pipe. The race pipe sounds much better to me, but I gave up some low end performance that the Jardine had. | ||
| Woolf |
Johnny, I just bought a Jardine. So far so good for me. I like it a lot, and would recommend it to anyone, that doesn't have a pipe. Personally if I had a D&D I would stick with that. I wanted the D&D but settled for the Jardine on a cost basis. I might consider a trade if you are interested. |
