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Spatten1
| | Posted on Saturday, July 08, 2006 - 09:29 am: | 
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"Just so you know, EPA and CARB aren't concerned with actually doing anything to protect/help the enviroment"
It gets even better.
Dude, I worked for two OEMs in the 90's doing emissions testing and certification. I would disagree with you.
If you visited California in the 1970s and revisited today you would see much improved air quality with more than twice the number of motor vehicles on the road. If not for CARB, California would be as polluted as Mexico City. |
Grimel
| | Posted on Saturday, July 08, 2006 - 10:01 am: |
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Just so you know, EPA and CARB aren't concerned with actually doing anything to protect/help the enviroment"
It gets even better.
Dude, I worked for two OEMs in the 90's doing emissions testing and certification. I would disagree with you.
Oh, joy, you disagree! Wonderful! I'm sooooooo happy.
Dude, I've worked in and around the EPA and it's various regulations most of my adult life. You are wrong. Hot Rod mag in the late '80's was able to take a stock Cali approved Camero, run it through the Cali testing, strip ALL the Cali/EPA emmissions crap off the car, stroke it to 380+ ci, and somehow manage to a) improve fuel milage; b) reduce emmissions; and c) improve 1/4 mile time & top end. It was a relatively cheap set of modifications. Definitely cheaper than the EPA/Cali mandated crap they removed.
Of course we won't get into the EPA/Cali gas additve fiasco will we. |
Grimel
| | Posted on Saturday, July 08, 2006 - 10:05 am: |
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Oh dear, here we go again.
Pushrod 2-valve engines are more efficient than Jap Crap.
I love this place.
Sorry you don't understand what was said.
Nobody has said pushrod engines are more efficient than Jap Crap. In fact, I don't recall anyone talking about Jap Crap. Only Jap engines.
Sorry, you can't comprehend a 1994 350 being able to get better milage than a similar Nissan while doing more work. Nothing about efficiency of the engine. Somehow, I'm sure that is lost on you. |
Trojan
| | Posted on Saturday, July 08, 2006 - 10:22 am: |
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"Why on Earth the Japan Inc folks don't come out with a 360 degree big bang setup for their 600cc and literbike repliracers is beyond me."
The Virgin Yamaha team did just that with their R1 Superbike racer at the beginning of last season. In testing results were encouraging but the project was abandoned half way into the season as the bike was not competitive. The exact reasons for this I don't know, but it certainly crashed a lot!! |
Grimel
| | Posted on Saturday, July 08, 2006 - 10:46 am: |
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We have brilliant V-4's. We've had brilliant V-4's for a couple of decades now. |
Pwnzor
| | Posted on Saturday, July 08, 2006 - 10:57 am: |
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Brilliant V-4. There is one name that describes this to a "T"
VMAX
I'm sad that I somehow missed the troll this time. |
Grimel
| | Posted on Saturday, July 08, 2006 - 12:15 pm: |
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I was refering to the Sabre, Magna, VFR, and ST's; but, the V-Max was a pretty good idea. |
Pwnzor
| | Posted on Saturday, July 08, 2006 - 12:55 pm: |
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OMGROFL!
"pretty good" are not the words I would use to describe a Vmax. There is a reason that design went unchanged for so long. For a long time, no stock bike had as much power at the wheel. It is true the aesthetics are not as nice as some of the other bikes you mentioned, though.
PLEASE, correct me if I am mistaken. |
Glitch
| | Posted on Saturday, July 08, 2006 - 01:01 pm: |
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PLEASE, correct me if I am mistaken.
You're not mistaken.
The V-Max is a nice bike for it's intended environment.
They don't do so well in the twisties in stock form.
But for straight line attacks, and really long sweepers, they rock.
They ought to update that bike.
With the right chassis, that bike would truly rock! |
Pwnzor
| | Posted on Saturday, July 08, 2006 - 01:07 pm: |
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Righto, I only brought up the Vmax because somebody wanted a "Brilliant V4"
That powerplant is still impressive to me. |
Grimel
| | Posted on Saturday, July 08, 2006 - 04:38 pm: |
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"pretty good" are not the words I would use to describe a Vmax.
Like anything it wasn't perfect, but, in it's infinite wisdom the corporate board decided to cease development. Thus, it was a pretty good idea. Honda was only marginally brighter.
One need only look at the bikes available in Europe vs here to see the collective thoughts of the Big 4. |
Blake
| | Posted on Saturday, July 08, 2006 - 05:55 pm: |
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Matt,
That is interesting. Did they conclude the trouble was with the big bang crank, or perhaps being able to tune the bike and get it up to speed in that previously untested/unfamiliar configuration. I bet it sounded great. |
Molly_hatchet
| | Posted on Saturday, July 08, 2006 - 07:00 pm: |
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the v-max certainly holds its value well///better than a buell id say....and damn are they popular in europe....im startin to think the europeans are a wee bit smarter than we are...their mags feature a lot more buells...their bikes are streamlined for real riding situations....lots of horsepower,no horsecrap....the streetfighter....they love the v-max....big ,mean,obnoxious, not too pretty,loud,short ,fat, and nasty...remind u of anything...minus a little hp of copurse....is the v-max watercooled i havent looked at one close in a while. |
Rocketman
| | Posted on Saturday, July 08, 2006 - 09:36 pm: |
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Yamaha were racing the 'big bang' engine at Cadwell toward the end of last season. Didn't realize they weren't 'big banging' this season. It sounds exactly like a Ducati would you believe. I'm pretty certain from stuff I read previously, Yamaha have experimented with three different 'big bang' firing orders.
As for this season in BSB, I wonder if WSB banning 'big bang' has any bearing on what Yamaha will do in the BSB series. That is to say, I don't believe Yamaha not getting the results they might have hoped for in BSB last season could be attributed to experimenting with 'big bang'. If anything, I thought their persistence with 'big bang' would eventually pay off.
Try big banging here Blake.
Rocket
(Message edited by rocketman on July 08, 2006) |
Jaimec
| | Posted on Saturday, July 08, 2006 - 10:19 pm: |
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The V-Max is water cooled. And after more than 20 years without any major changes, it is due for a remodeling in 2007: http://www.next-vmax.com/index2.html |
Rocketman
| | Posted on Sunday, July 09, 2006 - 06:17 am: |
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The V-Max is being forced out of production because it can't be made to work within the bounds of tough new Euro legislation for 2007. The major problem being noise.
Rocket |
Jaimec
| | Posted on Sunday, July 09, 2006 - 07:01 am: |
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Never considered the V-Max (in stock form) a loud bike. There are considerably louder bikes in current production from my ear's standpoint. Our XB12 Buells at full throttle (with the exhaust valve open) are considerably louder than a stock V-Max at full throttle. All things being equal though, at full throttle a stock V-Max is that tiny little object on the horizon...  |
Glitch
| | Posted on Sunday, July 09, 2006 - 10:19 am: |
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Hey Rocket!
Thanks for the Big Bang link.
Interesting to say the least.
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Pwnzor
| | Posted on Sunday, July 09, 2006 - 10:34 am: |
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I've never considered it to be loud either.
Rocketman, can you link to any publication that says they are discontinuing the Vmax? I certainly haven't read that anywhere, and it sure looks like they are designing a new one. |
Blake
| | Posted on Sunday, July 09, 2006 - 11:54 am: |
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What reason would BSB have for banning a particular firing order in an engine?  That is silly! |
Rocketman
| | Posted on Sunday, July 09, 2006 - 09:04 pm: |
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They have discontinued the 'old' V-Max, and there is a 'new' replacement V-Max due 2007.
All I can say is 'big bang' was ruled out of WSB, as I understood it mainly due to WSB bosses wanting to keep team costs down. Any technical advancement is usually followed by at least all major teams, but that undoubtedly leads to financial issues often not achievable by all competing. BSB bosses, and I'm speculating here, may have felt the same way and followed WSB's lead.
Rocket |
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