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Pwnzor
| | Posted on Sunday, June 18, 2006 - 02:15 pm: | 
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If y'all don't like it, then guess what...? |
Cochise
| | Posted on Sunday, June 18, 2006 - 02:39 pm: |
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Tell everybody what, if you put the money up, by all means feel free to push YOUR products. On top of either buying or making their own products, testing it, buying advertising space, website development, put up with naysayers and all that boo sheet. Well, I say, go for it. |
Bads1
| | Posted on Sunday, June 18, 2006 - 03:42 pm: |
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I have a regular that comes in to my bar,(he's a old guy) just about every day. One day he was talk'n about the specials down the street. Well I was a little irritated but instead I asked Hey Billy what brings you in here every day?? He said why?? I said just curious?? He said I like the bartender. I said that it?? He said great atmosphere and friendly people. I said does that earn your business. He said Sorry Dana your right. |
Garp
| | Posted on Sunday, June 18, 2006 - 04:00 pm: |
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If y'all don't like it, then guess what...?
That's the spirit. God forbid somebody disagree, or make a suggestion on an alternate way of doing things.
Closed minds are the main reason I spend the majority of my time on other sites; sites where people agree, disagree, argue, and don't have to dance on eggshells for fear of pissing off the sponsor police.
Check out ADVRider sometime. A great site. No sponsors, no ads, supported by voluntary contributions. Vendors are welcome to post, in the Vendor section. |
Daves
| | Posted on Sunday, June 18, 2006 - 04:24 pm: |
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I and the other sponsors, I am sure, thank those that support us and our business.
We all work hard to give you great service.
To Dstiger,71sportster,Tcskeptic and Garp, I am sorry you feel that way.
I and all the other sponsors here do pay a fee for the chance to market our products and services here.
Others do not and therefore are not allowed to do so.
It is clearly written in the rules of the board.
We as sponsors did not make those rules.
We just play by them. |
Garp
| | Posted on Sunday, June 18, 2006 - 04:40 pm: |
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Daves,
Nothing personal. I traveled over 1000 miles to buy my Firebolt from you, and would do so again IF I could afford a Ulysses 
I just prefer a site that is a Vendor neutral. A site that is supported by the community rather than by people that "pay to market our products and services" I come here for credible Buell information, not to be marketed to.
Advertising is fine in it's place, but when it affects the content that it is supporting, then I loose faith in the content. I admired Motorcyclist magazine for having the balls to print a Helmet article that was critical of some big name advertisers. It cost them money, but to me they are far more credible because of it. |
Rubdoggy
| | Posted on Sunday, June 18, 2006 - 04:47 pm: |
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it's simple, those are the rules and great ones too. BTW, i have never heard of such a big deal over nothing. jeez! to me, it's like,"hey, this is the route they took to make this site work." it works. it may not be perfect in someones eyes but, it works really good.
i'm shocked anyone could give a damn. always being kept down by the man... |
Tcskeptic
| | Posted on Sunday, June 18, 2006 - 06:02 pm: |
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Daves-
Just so there is no misunderstanding, we've done business and I have been happy. I'm not against the sponsors special relationship with this board, what bugs me is the inability to do the typical friendly thing and point out good deals to online acquaintances. |
Diablobrian
| | Posted on Sunday, June 18, 2006 - 06:12 pm: |
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You know DaveS, and Al from American Sport Bike have a wealth of Buell knowledge that they have
come by through a lot of customer service and they do share that knowledge with us
whether the question was posed by one of their customers or not. Of course they
offer to help people. When someone asks for a part number Dave offers up his price
for the part along with the number but I don't see how that's objectionable. He did
do the "leg work" to look up the part number, and it will be far more accurate than
the info you get at almost any dealership. Because he knows, and loves Buells. |
Roadsurfr
| | Posted on Sunday, June 18, 2006 - 06:19 pm: |
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Ok, go buy from the guy at 20% off. Badweb sponsors lose or don't make enough to justify supporting this site. It goes away. Then what do you do? |
Bartimus
| | Posted on Sunday, June 18, 2006 - 06:52 pm: |
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Hang out on SacBorg, or ATC... |
Jerseyguy
| | Posted on Sunday, June 18, 2006 - 06:53 pm: |
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I have to agree with what DaveS said and as a sponsor I'd like to add that we exercise absolutely no editorial control over this BBS. We are even occasionally at odds with Blake but the site and rules are his and have to be followed. It's not a difficult concept. Cordial discussion and disagreement are encouraged, but the underlying rules are to be adhered to. If the rules truly offend one's sensibilities then in all honesty and without malice you probably shouldn't hang out here. |
Pwnzor
| | Posted on Sunday, June 18, 2006 - 08:42 pm: |
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Well at least here Coshise and I agree on something.
I enjoy the fact that not everyone can just advertise whatever they want. Keeps it a lot cleaner, no spam.
I been posting here almost a year, owned my Buell almost 3 years. When I met Al at American Sport Bike I told him it took me almost two years of asking at dealerships to find him. He was incredulous. He said pretty much every dealer should know about him, to which I agreed. Point being, they never told me when I inquired specifically, "is there any place I can get aftermarket parts for this bike where I can walk in and put my hands on them before I buy them." I got uniform answers from Laidlaw's Harley, Calfornia Harley, and Orange County Harley. "Nope, just look on the internet" they told me. Not one of them said the words American Sport Bike. Then one day I was at Costco and I ran into a fellow Bueller there, and he said check out BadWeb. I terminated my shopping immediately and rode home to find this bastion of Buelldom.
And here I am. Here we all are. Ain't it great? Don't think so, then don't waste your time. |
Cochise
| | Posted on Sunday, June 18, 2006 - 09:42 pm: |
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Well at least here Coshise and I agree on something.
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Pwnzor
| | Posted on Sunday, June 18, 2006 - 10:21 pm: |
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lol I knew you'd find it  |
Cochise
| | Posted on Sunday, June 18, 2006 - 10:27 pm: |
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did you read my profile yet? |
Pwnzor
| | Posted on Sunday, June 18, 2006 - 11:55 pm: |
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Yes but I was going to mention it in a different thread... I'm on a hijacking spree!  |
71sportster
| | Posted on Sunday, June 18, 2006 - 11:58 pm: |
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Daves, Please don't take offense. People like you and Al at American Sport Bike, are such an asset, it's the ONLY reason I keep coming back on here.
That Exhaust shoot out that Al & American Sport Bike did was worth it's weight in gold and probably cost almost as much to produce!
But, like everywhere else in society, there IS a lot of bull shit on here.
I've come to expect that in life, but I think it's the misnomer of "forum" that upsets me. Many here seem to have the “Love it, or leave it” philosophy, that I have ALWAYS found abhorrent and counterproductive. A true forum should be open to any and all philosophies and ideas. That is how the original form of government functioned in Greece, where the whole concept of “forum” originated. |
Nastynate4469
| | Posted on Monday, June 19, 2006 - 01:16 am: |
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I only have one complaint. the forum layout. I still haven't figured out entireley. It's such a pain to navigate and search past topics.
I think that;s really the one thing I would change. And I agree with 71sportster, It seems that diversity is looked down on sometimes.
(Message edited by nastynate4469 on June 19, 2006) |
Pwnzor
| | Posted on Monday, June 19, 2006 - 02:00 am: |
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But, like everywhere else in society, there IS a lot of bull shit on here.
71sportster, this statement by you sort of contradicts what I think you actually meant. By saying this, you have in fact judged for yourself and everyone else what is or isn't bullsh*t. Almost as if it were a forgone conclusion. Only with the blanket assumption that any idea put forth is in fact not bullsh*t at all can we have a true consensus.
At the risk of sounding redundant; These forums, rightly named, are certainly open to all ideas and philosophies. It is the advertisement of one's goods or services for sale or hire that is restricted to sponsors. I can point to plenty of message threads with links to ebay or other items for sale when it is being used for descriptive or illustrative purposes. Those are the exchange of ideas, for all to see. Reading threads looking for people shopping for tank bags and then injecting a link to your site when you are not a sponsor here is not a free exchange of ideas, it is predatory and inappropriate.
Cochise, perhaps you would like to weigh in further upon this topic? I digress.} |
Kdan
| | Posted on Monday, June 19, 2006 - 02:05 am: |
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What you have here are a bunch of Buell enthusiasts. Diversity exists, as long as it is relative to Buell. Convince your favourite dealer of things "Buell" to become a sponsor and viola! More diversity.
And I thought the whole concept of forum originated in Rome, where they used to throw the christians to the lions? |
Pwnzor
| | Posted on Monday, June 19, 2006 - 03:03 am: |
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Main Entry: fo·rum
Pronunciation: 'fOr-&m, 'for-
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural forums also fo·ra /-&/
Etymology: Latin; akin to Latin foris outside, fores door -- more at DOOR
1 a : the marketplace or public place of an ancient Roman city forming the center of judicial and public business b : a public meeting place for open discussion c : a medium (as a newspaper) of open discussion or expression of ideas
2 : a judicial body or assembly : COURT
3 a : a public meeting or lecture involving audience discussion b : a program (as on radio or television) involving discussion of a problem usually by several authorities |
71sportster
| | Posted on Monday, June 19, 2006 - 10:15 am: |
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"a public meeting place for open discussion c : a medium (as a newspaper) of open discussion or expression of ideas"
AMEN!
" At the risk of sounding redundant; These forums, rightly named, are certainly open to all ideas and philosophies."
OK, if this is so, how come I have been booted off so many times???
I have NEVER attempted to sell anything out side of the classifieds, but it seems if I express an opinion other than that accepted by the majority, I'm out!
Certainly doesn't seem to fit the definition of "Forum" to me?
In fact, downright imature and childish. "It's MY ball and you can't play!"
(Message edited by 71sportster on June 19, 2006) |
Pwnzor
| | Posted on Monday, June 19, 2006 - 10:30 am: |
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Simple reason, because of the way you act. And you have proved yourself once again.
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Bigdaddy
| | Posted on Monday, June 19, 2006 - 10:35 am: |
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71sportster,
Why are you continually trying to start problems?
Let it go and enjoy the site for what it is.
G2 |
Buellman39
| | Posted on Monday, June 19, 2006 - 01:28 pm: |
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Read the rules of the board and that should answer all your questions. |
Bindy
| | Posted on Monday, June 19, 2006 - 06:49 pm: |
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Goodness Bill according to your profile you first logged in on the 5th and it's now the 19th, perhaps we are all wrong.
However as you say " booted off so many times" in such a short period of time may be, just may be you might want to read the rules again that you agreed to when you signed up.
That after all was your grown up choice to make, and perhaps as a grown up you might need to rethink if you want to be part of this site.
Just a thought, but I personally do not need aggravation when I post here, I can get enough of that from work.
Certainly do not need it in my home time, besides I post here for the fun as I said I can get enough bull$hit at work .
Lighten up mate and enjoy this site for what it is, a place to hang out with other Buell enthusiasts. |
Spike
| | Posted on Monday, June 19, 2006 - 09:56 pm: |
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quote:OK, if this is so, how come I have been booted off so many times???
Dude, that just cannot be a serious question. We've gone over this countless times.
You get banned for bashing and throwing around personal attacks, most of which arise when you make outrageous statements and are unable to back them up.
You. do. not. get. banned. for. your. opinion. |
Garp
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 20, 2006 - 01:41 pm: |
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Here is a prime example of why I think the vendor policy here is a dis-service to members:
http://www.badweatherbikers.com/cgibin/discus/show.cgi?32777/206979
The original post, now deleted was from someone who found a good deal on helmets from a well known online source. They post the information to share a good deal, and the post gets deleted and they are warned.
Who is this site run for? Is it for the benefit of Sponsors or members?
To me when it gets to the point where members lose out on a good deal just so that Vendors can be protected, then things seem more than a little out of whack. |
Molly_hatchet
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 20, 2006 - 01:57 pm: |
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i understand that vendors are needed to run the site....and they get compensated for it by having their ads on the page...when it keeps us from sharing infomation then its a monopoly and a vendor specific site and not really an open forum...ok the vendors get an edge thats great for them....and we get deals from them ...thats great for us....i guess we have to pm with good info outside vendorville or hope everybody already has places like newenough bookmarked...i have an ebay store and sell biker stuff but i dont hock it here cause thats not fair to the vendors that pay to do that but other good info im not sure i agree with not being able to share a free market place is what drives our economy such as it is and keeps prices down because of competition...the phone company used to have a monopoly that didnt workout too good for them....and now we all benefit from an open market in the phone area...just my 2c or 5 cents as it may be. |
Pwnzor
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 20, 2006 - 02:01 pm: |
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members of this board should be smart enough to use google to find their own deals to compare with what the vendors have to offer.
I never buy anything online without price shopping. If somebody quotes a price on just about anything I open another browser tab and see if I can do better, on the spot. But I don't then turn around and post that info. That's not my job.
be responsible for your own wallet, don't blame the moderators for doing what the written rules say they will do.
None of us pays to be a member here, like on some other boards. We are guests in somebody else's house, so please wipe your feet. |
Molly_hatchet
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 20, 2006 - 02:04 pm: |
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if i wipe my feet ,would u get me a beer..... |
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