| Author | Message | ||
     Cheesebeast |
Howdy all, I think I saw that Jardine offered a "repack" kit a few years ago. Is this still available? My Jardine appears to be getting louder. Thanks! | ||
| Firebolteric_ma |
is that a bad thing?  | ||
| Cheesebeast |
What? What did you say? I can see your lips moving but I just can't make out what you sai... | ||
| Dongalonga |
how long have you had your jardine?? i have had mine for about a year now and noticed that it is now finally sounding what i consider to be "broken in" as opposed to the packing being blown out. | ||
| Cheesebeast |
I bought the bike used, so I don't know how long the Jardine was on it. | ||
| Dongalonga |
well all i can tell you is i have noticed that my jardine became louder as time went on but it has leveled out to a nice broken in sound just like aftermarket auto mufflers do. | ||
| Cheesebeast |
Ah, I didn't consider that it would level off somewhat. I suppose I will have to put the Quiet insert in it and see what that does for me. Thanks, Cheese | ||
| Dongalonga |
yeah just dont go for 3+ hour rides w/o theinsert or earplugs like i do!! | ||
| Exitlandrew |
Does anybody about how long they go before you have to repack them? | ||
| Cmm213 |
You really cant put a time on them, but I used to have one and it had about 3000 good miles and when I repacked it the bottom of the packing was completely gone. Hope that helps , I also put in a different packing from FMF- the stuff was very strong. Its was the 4 stroke packing they make. easy to use but I dont know how its holding up because I haw a drummer now. | ||
| Speedfreaks101 |
The repacks kits are just that. They do not solve the problem. If you want to keep the Jardine then here is my suggestion. I would look around and see who carries ceramic blanket that is used for kilns. The temperature rating for the blanket ranges from 1800-3200 depending on the type you buy so it will handle the heat. Next buy a roll of stainless steel wool. NOT STEEL WOOL it has to be stainless (regular wool will burn). Wrap the perforated pipe with stainless wool then wrap the blanket around the wool. Pack it tight. Wear gloves and a long sleeve shirt since the material is like fiberglass insulation. This type of exhaust will last. Where I got the idea from is Borla. This is the same setup they use in the their mufflers that they guarantee for a million miles. I currently have a Jardine that has the ceramic blanket only and it quieted it down some but the stainless would do a lot more. I will be ordering the stainless wool from a company in New York ( http://www.briwax-online.com/sswool.html ). I would suggest the coarse because it will have more tensile strength. The blanket material can also be found on ebay if you look around but if you find someone who sells to kiln companies (I did local) then you can get the stuff pretty cheap or in my case free. One last thing the first time you crank the bike with the pipe on make sure you are outside because the loose particulates will blow out of the pipe. Some may see this as being too expensive for a cheap pipe but I disagree. Once you have the material you can sell the right amount to other Buellers or sport bike riders and make your money back with your leftovers. Later, Bart | ||
| Cheesebeast |
Again, thanks for the responses. I installed the quiet insert last night and it made a good bit of difference. I would guess it dropped the noise level at idle by about 20 percent. I will see if I detect much power loss, but I doubt it as at this point my riding skills don't come close to pushing the limits of this bike(!). Earplugs will become part of my riding prep from now on. Good idea anyway, regardless of the exhaust type. Speedfreaks101- particular thanks for your detailed response on repacking materials. I will archive the info for when it comes time to do this properly (when I am less lazy). Thanks, Cheese | ||
| Adrenaline0210 |
how does it sound with the quiet core insert.. im starting to get alot of complaints from neighbors and here at my work about my jardine...looked at the charts and saw its a noticable decrease in power and torque. Do u feel a difference? and is it louder than stock or race muffler? | ||
| Cheesebeast |
It just sounds like "Jardine Lite" as opposed to "Jardine Malt Liquor- Works Everytime!" The decibel decrease is noticeable but not overwhelming- again I would guess about 20% or so. I would guess it is still louder than a stock muffler. I took a quick ride with the quiet insert in and I doubt you will notice a huge difference in power/torque at street speeds. Highway speeds are an unknown- don't know- haven't tested it. I would say give it a go. It was only about 30 bucks and all I had to do was drill one hole. It is a tight fit, but it can be removed if you can't accept the power/torque loss. | ||
| Firebolteric_ma |
put the d&d on your bike for a couple weeks, neighbors and work will be happy to see the jardine back on the bike. my neighbors are always commenting on how my bikes/vehicles are always loud. i just let them know if it isn't loud and obnoxious i don't really like it. i do try to leave the neighborhood quietly but they still comment.  | ||
| Adrenaline0210 |
when u put in the quiet core did it change the way the bike felt driving wise? I had a bitch of a time getting my bike tuned so far and id hate to mess it all up again... and did u notice a dip between 3-4k rpms? I have that problem now where between 3-4 has nothing then hits after with good power. does the quiet core make it worse? | ||
| Cheesebeast |
All I can offer is subjective views on the insert at this point as it is way too new to me. I did notice it ran roughly for a while (idle)- probably due to the back pressure- and then smoothed out considerably. I would be cautious if you have a race ECM, airbox mods, etc. I do notice a flat spot in the RPM range, but it was there before I put the insert in. Make it worse? Dunno. Better? Nope. One thing I did notice was new noises from the engine (valves?)- I highly doubt these are new, just it is now "quiet" enough for me to notice them. Sorry I can't be of more help. | ||
| Glitch |
Remember you've got to let the bike "learn" anything new you do to the bike. That's probably why it didn't seem to run as well at first. 3500+ for 10 minutes. | ||
| Fusa21 |
I raced with a Jardine for a season, and had the packing blow out because the rivets pulled through the can. Can't say it was too hard to put back together, but I didn't care for the poor quality materials. I have parts for sale if anyone is looking for a shortened canister, header-elbow and end pieces. | ||
| Rhun |
Fusa21 how much for exactly what? I'm kind of new to the Buell exhaust systems. | ||
| Rhun |
re: The baffle plug in the end. is it basically a washer? If so has any tried what was common in the 60s. putting a pin on one end and a bolt on the other? Thus the washer is supported on both ends by the pipe (at outlet). Then you can pivot the washer transversely for quite and restrictive air flow or horizontally for loud and no flow resistance. | ||
| Firebolteric_ma |
what exactly does the packin in the muffler do? can the can be run without the packing? i know it will be loud but are there any ill effects it will cause? just curiousity on my part. thanks guys! | ||
| Diablobrian |
Rhun, The Quiet core is a billet aluminum piece about 1 1/4 inches thick (I don't have it in front of me so that is a guess) There is a taper to the back side, towards the engine, to help flow. It would not be possible to operate it like a butterfly valve in it's current form. If you wanted to make something along those lines It would be fairly easy to do, kind of like the valve in the 12 exhausts. | ||
| Speedfreaks101 |
Firebolteric_ma The packing helps to keep the sound at a bearable level. The reason you don't want to run a Jardine without packing: When you de accelerate with a Jardie some of the time you a popping sound from the exhaust. The popping is actually mini explosions. These explosions are the reason that the rivets pull through the case. If Jardine had built the muffler correctly then the end caps would have been on the outside of the can and the issue would have been rectified. The best thing you can do is keep the muffler packed since it will absorb some of the stress. On a side note I had read a post by Hillbilly-Motors Motors about a TI pipe holding up better than the alloy. So I emailed them and they explained that they had an alloy pipe fail on their race bike so they switched to the TI pipe and it had held up fine. So I picked up the TI pipe and have had no issues. Just make sure when you repack it you use stainless rivets. Most ACE/True Value hardware stores carry them. The size is 5/32 x 6mm (or 8mm I am not sure). Later, Bart | ||
| Firebolteric_ma |
Speedfreaks101--thanks for the information. i thought it may have had something to do w/ the pulse, just wasn't really sure. |
