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Ted
| | Posted on Thursday, April 27, 2006 - 02:09 pm: | 
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its also against the law. Just cause you're more skilled than the rest of us, doesnt exempt you. Whats next, slowing down to 25mph at stop signs? |
Xbrad9r
| | Posted on Thursday, April 27, 2006 - 02:58 pm: |
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hey guys, the teenage son of a guy i work with was killed two weeks ago when he was thrown out of his vehicle when it rolled over...if he would've had on a seat belt, he probably wouldn't have even been injured...
i am normally bad to not wear mine, but since that I haven't ridden in a car or truck without buckling up...
and as far as how much gear you to choose to wear on your bike...a guy i ride with always says only cover up the skin you want to keep. I think about everytime I debate going without a jacket or wearing shorts. |
Southern Marine
| | Posted on Thursday, April 27, 2006 - 05:17 pm: |
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I had 3 friends in an accident, a rollover. None of them were wearing seatbelts. Two of them were thrown clear of the vehicle, the third, she was decapitated. Again, seatbelts save lives. The laws are the laws and when I have been stopped I have never tried to BS anyone. I have admitted to my mistakes and only twice out of maybe 10 or more times have I ever received a ticket. One of those tickets, I could have been locked up in jail and lost my license, but because I was honest and didn't try to lie/BS the officer, he let me go with having to only pay an $85 fine, and I was doing 85 in a 45, through town, situation could have been classified as racing, even though I wasn't. I admitted my fault that I was speeding and explained why and that I was not racing, swore to it (I honestly wasn't). He believed my story, told me what could happen, wrote my ticket up so I would only have to pay $85 and let me go on my way with a stern warning. To this day I am thankful for that situation. |
Diablobrian
| | Posted on Thursday, April 27, 2006 - 05:57 pm: |
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The unfortunate truth of the matter is that the average citizen's only interaction
with law enforcement is when they are being pulled over by law enforcement. In that
circumstance they are nervous and upset, and the officer is wary and not in "public relations"
mode.
I, and most others appreciate the fact the officer on the street is putting his life on the
line every day for our protection. That isn't what the average person sees. Except
on TV. The PR people at every major law enforcement agency have been fighting this problem
since the beginning of law enforcement. |
Court
| | Posted on Thursday, April 27, 2006 - 06:09 pm: |
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I had the pleasure of having dinner in November 1988 with a fella name of Dr. Ken Cooper (some of you recall the word he "gave" us).
He said something that always stuck with me. . .
quote:there are two things that, with absolutely certainty, can hasten your departure from this earth; not wearing a seat belt and smoking tobacco"
No claims from me as to right or wrong. . . but he was no dummy.
I was in a 1952 Ford that rolled 8 times (anyone recall the old steel cable "guard rails) on the Kansas Turnpike (near Lawrence) when the speed limit was 85.
Lessons learned. |
Missin44
| | Posted on Thursday, April 27, 2006 - 06:43 pm: |
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Got1nut,
First let me say that I do respect your profession and hats off to cops everywhere. My brother is a cop in Virginia.
However, the idea that government mandating wearing a seatbelt or helmet in this country is obscene. It's not relevent how may lives are saved by seatbelt or helmets, if you're a legal adult you make your own decisions. We all know it's safer wearing a seatbelt/helmet, but we're all grown up now, we're big boys and girls, we don't need mommy holding our hands to cross the street. Yes I have seen the results first have of no helmets or seatbelts, it's not relevent. Let's ban motorcycles all together and we will have zero deaths from motorcycle accidents. Fact of the matter is it is just another tax revenue generator, in your case it's for the state.
If you're wondering or care I have not ridden even a mile without a helmet in 35 years. I'm also new to the board, and in no way mean to offend you. It's a free counrty, we're all free (for the time being) to believe what we like.
Be safe out there!
(Message edited by missin44 on April 27, 2006) |
Ronlv
| | Posted on Thursday, April 27, 2006 - 08:06 pm: |
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we as adults should have the right to choose
seatbelts and helmet laws for adults suck |
Buellfighter
| | Posted on Friday, April 28, 2006 - 08:31 am: |
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It has nothing to do with being an adult and making your own decision.
It has to do with you being injured in an auto accident and the resulting lawsuit that I have to be a party in paying for through increased insurance rates! Buckle up, stay alive so I don't have to pay for it! |
Ronlv
| | Posted on Friday, April 28, 2006 - 08:59 am: |
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the lawsuit doesnt go away because you live
false claims is more important than making someone where a seatbelt
its all about the $$$, nobody cares about our safety
if you believe the government cares about your saftey, i have some swap land i can sell you
if you enjoy the government telling you what to do move to a dictatorship country
we are loosing are freedom one law at a time |
Ryker77
| | Posted on Friday, April 28, 2006 - 09:42 am: |
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Don't worry about the growing meth problem.
Don't worry about illegals driving without insurance.
Don't worry about the unsolved missing kids, murders, and rapist.
But please be sure and "write 2 tickets an hour to keep working it (50.00 bucks an hour!!)." on seat belts.
 
Keep up the good work. and thanks for making the world so much safer. |
Diablobrian
| | Posted on Friday, April 28, 2006 - 10:02 am: |
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Come on guys, don't make this what it's not.
Got1 was trying to be honest and give a heads-up
about a coming "road hazard". Don't rag on the guy
for giving you the straight information. |
Ryker77
| | Posted on Friday, April 28, 2006 - 10:49 am: |
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english-- he messed up and told about his quato. |
Diablobrian
| | Posted on Friday, April 28, 2006 - 11:05 am: |
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I'd rather hear the truth from a friend than a lie from a bureaucrat.
Kind of like profiling. When used properly it works. |
Chadhargis
| | Posted on Friday, April 28, 2006 - 11:36 am: |
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I agree, I appreciate Got1's advice and I've got no beef with a fellow trying to make a living doing what his boss says. I have a beef with the system. |
Light_keeper
| | Posted on Friday, April 28, 2006 - 11:54 am: |
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Got1Nut thanks.
Hey a quota is also used to test a measure of productivity. If you have a quota set and you have to meet that goal you are inspired to get the job done. This is used in all sorts of places. A telemarketer has to make x calls per hour and close x sales per hour based on the calling rate. That way you the manager ensure maximum utilization of your work force. Police officers are just like anyone else. Each ticket you write has paperwork that goes with it. everytime paperwork is submitted you are put up for a certian amount of screwtany (my spelling is horrible I know it. I am disexlik) by your superiors. Most people out of sight out of mind works. Set a quota and you ensure that at least part of the work gets done. Set a quota and productivity meets demand. If quotas can't be met they then have to be changed. I don't want to hear about the odd duck that fudges just to meet the quota. I am sure they exist, but having driven from one end of this country to the other I have been very lucky and never experianced it. In fact every time I have ever been stopped I deserved it at the time I was stopped. I have been overlooked more times than I care to count. I expect if I cross the line and exceed the legal speedlimit I will eventually get cought and have to pay what ever the fine / penalty is for the offense. It does not matter if there is a wide open road with no traffic within miles of me. If I break the law I break the law. If I get cought thats part of the risk I take. there are no (reasonable and prudent) 75 after dark speedlimits anymore. Too many people couldnt figure out what reasonable and prudent was anyway. Ride safe have fun and quit bashing on the LEO'S
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Perry
| | Posted on Friday, April 28, 2006 - 12:50 pm: |
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I don't agree with the idea that "adults should choose" regarding helmets or seat belts.
The problem is that when you suffer a head injury you will rack up a few hundred grand in hospital expenses that will ultimately end up costing the rest of us - either through insurance rates, health care costs, or taxes (all of which cover those unpaid medical bills). And then comes the law suits!
When the day comes that hospitals can choose not to treat your injuries, and the rest of us can choose not to pay for it, then we can talk about adults making their own choices.
Until then, put on a helmet. |
Ronlv
| | Posted on Friday, April 28, 2006 - 01:18 pm: |
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i wear a helmet, because i choose to
but i dont want to be made to
next thing you know we will have to wear helmets in cars along with a 4point harness, neck braces and fire suits
this dicktatership is never ending as long as we have people voting our freedom away
are you for drinking, smoking and sex before marriage? what do you think that costs us?
should we out law these? should we make girls take birth control?
were does it end??? |
Missin44
| | Posted on Friday, April 28, 2006 - 01:38 pm: |
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Perry
Using that logic ban: booze, tobacco, fast food...the list goes on. Then we can pass a law where everyone has to exercise and stay in shape. The ends justify the means I guess. It would be utopia.
Man did this post degenerate in a hurry. |
Perry
| | Posted on Friday, April 28, 2006 - 01:55 pm: |
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I agree it is a matter of balance. Obviously your same arguments could be used to argue against speed limits, driver's license requirements, or most any traffic laws.
Sometimes the greater freedom comes from discipline, restraint, and rules. We are made more free by traffic laws, not less. Without them we could not reasonably ride on city streets at all.
As for "drinking, smoking, and sex before marriage" - I am personally against people doing any of these things while riding a motorcycle on public roads.  |
Ryker77
| | Posted on Friday, April 28, 2006 - 02:53 pm: |
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Number 1 cause of Death, injuires, diesease, and medical cost is from OBESITY primary cause of heart diesease and diabetes.
So we should post cops at BugerKing?
Because it sure the hell isn't fair for me to eat healthy and exercise only to pay for fat, lazy, pill popping Americans. |
Brineusaf
| | Posted on Friday, April 28, 2006 - 02:55 pm: |
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No traffic laws... would resemble something like how France operates...even with laws. |
Shea
| | Posted on Friday, April 28, 2006 - 02:58 pm: |
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There are too many "adults" that are not intenllegent or educated enough to make their own decisions. Sorry, but it's the truth. I see it every day in my job as a medic. |
Court
| | Posted on Friday, April 28, 2006 - 03:01 pm: |
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Choices.
I wear a helmet all the time and wear a seat belt. But then I have a meeting next week.
I've long been an advocate that medicla insurers on motorcycles should be able to underwrite based on risk.
You wear a helmet you get one rate..
You chose not to you pay the appropriate rate for the marginal risks and the underwriter properly charges you (not me who is wearing the helmet) for those risks.
Simple, eh? |
Got1nut
| | Posted on Friday, April 28, 2006 - 03:48 pm: |
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Ryker,
Don't worry about the growing meth problem.
Our Narc team has been out everyday for the past 2 weeks making raids.
Don't worry about illegals driving without insurance.
I dont, because theres so many more legal residents doing it. Just towed a nice Audi s4 last night for no insurance.
Don't worry about the unsolved missing kids, murders, and rapist.
Found a missing 13 year old boy 2 days ago who ran away from home because his mom wouldnt let him watch tv. kid gave me a hug.
2. My squad arrested a rapist at the hampton inn this tour.
3. Murderers... havent had a murder here in months... but don't worry were working on it.
Now gotta go get dressed to write some more tickets and generate some revenue. Already way past my quota of 2 tickets a month. |
Midknyte
| | Posted on Friday, April 28, 2006 - 04:01 pm: |
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havent had a murder here in months... but don't worry were working on it.
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Ryker77
| | Posted on Saturday, April 29, 2006 - 09:42 am: |
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Maybe you could come down to Ga and helpm us the the Meth problem.
LEO told me the county over has soo many labs that they can't bust them- not enough room in the jails or clean up crews. There just waiting for the feds to step in.
Stay safe. |
Brucelee
| | Posted on Saturday, April 29, 2006 - 12:08 pm: |
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"There are too many "adults" that are not intenllegent or educated enough to make their own decisions. Sorry, but it's the truth. I see it every day in my job as a medic"
Or, who spell correctly! |
Marijane0569
| | Posted on Saturday, April 29, 2006 - 11:29 pm: |
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Ok, Now I know that I normally don't post here; but this one is too good to pass up.
First, 1nut thank you very much for the heads up.
I personally HATE that dang cali seatbelt law, but I can't change it by getting po'ed every time I get stopped for driving without one (besides that just gets expensive). I feel the same way about the helmet law, yet I still wear the infernal thing.
Second, Ryker maybe that county LEO would (...) let some respectable citizens play with "fireworks" near those labs.
Third, I think that everyone should be alot nicer to all LEOs it really isn't that hard to do, IS IT??? Shoot they already have a thankless job, WE don't need to make it more difficult on them. Heck, You disagree w/ the ticket you got take it to court, most LEOs DO NOT want to argue w/ you on the side of the road w/ traffic whipping by at 60+. Aside from combat military, and the REPO guys; how many careers out there really have the chance of getting shot at on purpose?
1nut, Tell them boys in the NARC team and you squad to keep up the great work, we need teams like that out here to get rid of the meth prob, and rapists( as often as I wish it were legal to go out and find meth dealers or thier "cooks" and rapists and beat them senseless and then drop them off at the local P.D., I know that leagally I can't.)
Thanks, I'll get off my soapbox now.
"MJ" |
Marijane0569
| | Posted on Saturday, April 29, 2006 - 11:31 pm: |
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Sorry about the Italics.
"MJ" |
Zxzer04
| | Posted on Sunday, April 30, 2006 - 12:23 am: |
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Wow, you guys are really on Fire here...
Fact is I keep hearing on the news how someone was killed when they were ejected from their vehicle because they weren't wearing their seatbelt. And one morning as I am warming the Bolt up to goto work, I hear about 3 motorcycle accidents that were happening right then. Everyone says that if you havent went down on your bike its just a matter of time. So no helmet on your head and thats the time you hit the pavement.
1nut didnt say he had to pretend someone wasn't wearing their seatbelt, and they are breaking the law. 2 out of possibly 20 or more. seems reasonable to me. |
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