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Bigbuell
| | Posted on Saturday, April 08, 2006 - 02:09 pm: | 
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OK, My bike has been in the shop now for 2 weeks. My dealer can't seem to find the problem with the bike. This is what happened, As I was riding the low fuel light came on. So at the next light I stop and started to turn around to go back to a gas station. While I was setting at the light the bike started to idle funny, RPM went up and down and almost stalled. Had to give it gas to keep it running. I thought it was running out of gas. So I started to drive to the nearest gas station and got caught at the next light, bike did the same thing, but this time the check engine light came on. I finely got to the gas station to put gas in it. Turned it off and filled it up, let it cool off for about 10 minutes. Started it back up let it idle for a few minutes and it seemed to be fine. Hopped back on the bike and drove it to the next light and guess what, it started doing the same thing again. Drove home immediately. Called the dealer and told them the problem. They told me to call brag and have the bike towed to their shop. So I did. They came and got it and took it to the dealer. I got a call from the about hour later and said there working on it and when they find the problem they will contact me. The next day I got a call from the dealer and they did not find a problem and to come pick it up and this was on a Saturday at 530pm and they close at 6pm so I could not pick up the bike that night. The dealer said that I could pick up the bike Sunday morning because they had customers picking up bikes that day. Went down Sunday morning to get the bike, rolled the bike out, started it up in front of the salesman and it started doing it in front of him. He said that it was the Buell hand grips that I put on causing the problem, I looked at him and wanted to rip his head off, but i kept my cool and left my bike there. OK, On Tuesday I got a call from the dealer saying that they found the problem, bad 02 sensor and that they had to take the motor down to take the head pipe off to get to the back pipe to get to the sensor, and ask me since they have the pipe off if I wanted to have the pipe Jet Hot coated. On me of course. I said what the hell, I'll do it. Took it to Caps for the coating, wouldn't be done till next Tuesday, that fine the weather around here suck lately anyway. Got the pipe done and took it back to the dealer. They put it back together with the new O2 sensor and it did the same thing. So the dealer called a buell service tech and they recommend a new ecm and that they would not get it for another week, this blows. Well I got a call from the dealer last night and they said it was cleaned up and fixed. So I drove over to pick the the bike. Well the has not been cleaned and had sand on the seat, at this point all I wanted is the bike back. So I rolled the bike out side I looked it over real hard and it looked OK. The service manager said that the tech put 38 miles on the bike and it did not act up after the new ecm was up in. Well after that being said I started the bike up and let it idle right in front of the service manager and guess what it did it again. His jaw drop to the ground. I was so pissed off at this point. Remember the bike only has 279 miles on it. Any help or advise would be appreciated. I do love this bike and plan on keeping it. But should this be happening to my new bike. My personal thought on what I think is wrong with it, is the fuel pump is malfunctioning or the fuel injection is messing up so that would cause a lean condition and causing the o2 sensor to trip (IMO). But what do I know. Its just seams it all happened when the low fuel light came on. Also I saw that the tps\idle adjustment cable was rubbing on the head motor mount bracket and it was rubbed all the way though the rubber coating down to the wire core, could this be causing a short on the motor between the fuel injection and the block or causing the tps adjustment to go out of adjustment. Just something I saw on the bike while it was at the dealer apart on the stand. |
99buellx1
| | Posted on Saturday, April 08, 2006 - 02:36 pm: |
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Woah, paragraphs would help the reading.
(Message edited by 99buellx1 on April 08, 2006) |
Old_man
| | Posted on Saturday, April 08, 2006 - 03:36 pm: |
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Maybe the injectors partly clogged, I would try some injector cleaner in the gas. |
Bigbuell
| | Posted on Saturday, April 08, 2006 - 04:27 pm: |
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99buellx1
Hey man, sorry for the improper grammar. I'm just worked up a little.
Old_man
I would try that but I do not have the bike in my possession. Thanks anyway. |
Brad_buell
| | Posted on Saturday, April 08, 2006 - 05:50 pm: |
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Hey Bigbuell-
Sorry to hear about your Buell troubles. It sounds like you need the help of Court. Has he replied to any of your prior threads on this issue with your New Buell? He might tell you to first contact Buell Customer Service with this ongoing issue. But I'm not sure. I think that would be My next step(IMHO). Make sure that you stay calm and give them the details. Remember that you will get nowhere if you lose control with them over the phone. But it sounds like you need to get more people involved on this matter. The dealer just can't keep taking crap shoots with a possible answer. Every time they're wrong that's another week waiting for a part. Your new Buell should be running perfect.
-Brad |
Buellistic
| | Posted on Saturday, April 08, 2006 - 07:32 pm: |
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TWO OF THE MOST DANGEROUS THINGS IN THE WORLD:
1. A HARLEY-DAVIDSON "TECHNICAN" working
on a BUELL !!!
2. A HARLEY-DAVIDSON "ORINETATED" person
giving advise on BUELLs !!! |
Bigbuell
| | Posted on Saturday, April 08, 2006 - 11:55 pm: |
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Update:
The dealer called me today around 430 and told me that they think that it might the rear injector. The reason that they think this is the the computer (diagnostic tool) is showing erratic reading, something like 140 on the rear injector instead of 100 or 110. What this means I'm not sure, but they think there might be debris in there because it will work some times and sometimes it won't work. That why the 02 sensor in the rear keep throwing its code, its leaning out. Well this sound about right to me. I really hope that they flush out the fuel injector system. The service manager said that buell is sending a hole new TB with a injector rail on Tuesday. I don't know if it is easier to replace the hole unit or just the injector. Anyway I hope this is it.
After talking with the service manager he told me that this is the first time that they have ever ran into a problem like this, and he apologized to me a couple of times. He also reassured me if this does not take care of the problem that a buell rep would come down to help find the problem. And if needed that they would replace the bike if nothing could fix it. He made me feel a lot better about whats going on. He also promised me a full tank of gas and a detail job for the inconvenience. I wish that they would make my first payment for me instead. OK with that said does this make sense to anyone with a fuel injection back ground.
Also I want to say that the dealer has tried to fix the bike. The service tech that is working on the bike is pretty cool and honest with me, he has even told me that he really doesn't like these bike because he likes the old school better, easier to work on, also he has personally called me a couple of times to inform me what is going on with the bike. I don't think that there a bad dealer just not up on buell stuff. But if you sell something to someone and are a dealer of this product you should supply good service for this product and know it inside and out, and if you can't fix it, find someone who knows how to fix it. |
Blake
| | Posted on Sunday, April 09, 2006 - 07:08 am: |
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I bet they have found the cause of your problem. Yes, unfortunately gaining experience requires fumbling around a bit at the start. Thanks for the update. And for the paragraphs too!  |
Blake
| | Posted on Sunday, April 09, 2006 - 07:12 am: |
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Other stuff to check off the list would be an intake manifold air leak, TPS reset, reset AFV, reset idle. |
Reepicheep
| | Posted on Sunday, April 09, 2006 - 09:14 am: |
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Sounds like they have already engaged the factory closely... which is good news, and it sounds like the factory is pretty serious about getting the problem sovled. |
Buellistic
| | Posted on Sunday, April 09, 2006 - 09:27 am: |
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A "BAD DEALER" is not up on BUELL STUFF ...
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN ??? |
Bigbuell
| | Posted on Sunday, April 09, 2006 - 12:57 pm: |
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Buellistic
What I think I meant to say is that they know more about there main product (HD) instead of the Buell product which is a second hand product to them. They don't even carry any Buell products, grips, parts, hats, shirts, jackets, etc. If you want anything you have to order it. From what I can tell there is just not a real big Buell base around this area. I don't see a hole lot of Buells around here. Thats too bad. |
Heads
| | Posted on Sunday, April 09, 2006 - 04:33 pm: |
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sheeesh flame the bloke for his grammar,
hope i never have to explain a break down here. |
Buellistic
| | Posted on Sunday, April 09, 2006 - 05:30 pm: |
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Heads:
The "QUEENS ENGLISH" is hard to understand
in the "COLONIES" !!!
"i" speak "BUELL" !!! |
Kowpow225
| | Posted on Sunday, April 09, 2006 - 05:45 pm: |
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I had a similar problem to yours. (It's in the profile) It turned out to be a rear injector wire being rubbed by the battery 'shelf' in the main loom. They also changed the injector itself which only made it go away momentarily. Once that short was found though, problems solved. |
Buellistic
| | Posted on Sunday, April 09, 2006 - 05:54 pm: |
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IT IS YOUR MOTORCYCLE and if you get a bag of tye wraps and make sure wires a not doing the wiggle test or touching something they should not because they are loose, you will not have these "PROBLEMS" !!! |
Kowpow225
| | Posted on Sunday, April 09, 2006 - 06:14 pm: |
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Easy killer, we're only discussing the nature of the beast. Problems, what else would I call them? |
Buellistic
| | Posted on Sunday, April 09, 2006 - 06:16 pm: |
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They are covered under "PREVENTIVE MAINTENCE" !!! |
Kowpow225
| | Posted on Sunday, April 09, 2006 - 06:37 pm: |
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I'd like to believe something like this would be covered under "PREVENTIVE MAINTENCE" !!!, but, in this case, the factory knew of this occurance in many other XB's and offered that piece of advise to the tech. I'm just relaying this information. You have fun with your zip ties.  |
Buellistic
| | Posted on Sunday, April 09, 2006 - 08:28 pm: |
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THAT IS WHAT BWB BOARD IS FOR, TO LET OTHER BUELLers KNOW !!!
Used a lot of tye wraps so "i" would not off on side of the road with some "BUELLschitte PROBLEM" that was preventable !!!
BY THE WAY "PREVENTIVE MAINTANCE" IS WHAT YOU DO BECAUSE YOU DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH MONEY FOR THE DEALER TO DO IT !!!
Even if it under warranty, who wants the inconvence ???
In BUELLing
LaFayette |
Wing_rider
| | Posted on Sunday, April 09, 2006 - 10:00 pm: |
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It sounds like the problem will be fixed, and I appreciate the problem solutions, however the bike has under 300 miles on it and the owner did not build it. It sounds like the guys that did should be the ones to put the zip ties on in the first place.
That is the only thing that concerns me regarding a Buell as I think the design is great and the innovations are wonderful. But the HD components have always struck me as being poor quality. |
Bigbuell
| | Posted on Sunday, April 09, 2006 - 10:41 pm: |
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Heads
Well excuse me! Sorry that my pig Latin is not prefect but I try harder next time. Just Kidding! God please! I hope I don't have to explain this again.
Buellistic
I will let the tech know about the zip ties, but if they don't do it I'll do it myself.
Kowpow225
What code did that throw with the check engine light, let me know. Also thank for that info, I will pass that on as well.
Thanks everyone for your advise and help. Keep it coming. I'll keep you guys informed on whats the out come of this on going issue. |
Heads
| | Posted on Monday, April 10, 2006 - 04:02 am: |
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Bigbuell, bud im on you'r side if they are going to bag you then they will me, im no english teacher and if they dont like the structure of my post they can smoke it.
Im with Wing_rider, i paid AU$18000 for my 05 XB12R so why do we have to get our bike home then start to zip tie cables and wires,my bike did have visible chafing on the material that protects the wires from 0 klm's |
Buellistic
| | Posted on Monday, April 10, 2006 - 06:46 am: |
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Heads:
"CHAFING", thats a hint !!! |
Bigbuell
| | Posted on Monday, April 10, 2006 - 03:40 pm: |
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Heads
Right on! I'm with you to brother. They can smoke it to! That's what spell check is for, to bad it can't put it the right text for us challenged at putting word to print. |
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