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Tommy_k
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 - 10:14 am: | 
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Be sure to post a dyno chart when you're broken in. I'm considering a 90" kit too, but by Cyclerama, another sponsor who happens to be 30 mins away from me.
Good luck with the build,
TK |
Diablobrian
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 - 10:55 am: |
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I agree with Tim on the wet systems. I have seen too many disasters with dry systems on bikes
and cars for me to feel comfortable with them on my vehicles.
You will probably want to run an aux fuel pump on the 90" motor for your nos system anyway. I
think the stock fuel pump will support up to around 125 hp without mods before pressure drops
and atomization suffers. If someone has better data than that please share. |
Cluckcluckpush
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 - 06:43 pm: |
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You will never see anything but positive things for sponsors of this site, if anyone has had any trouble with Revolution or any other paying sponsor... their post would be deleted.
FYI you can only get one side here, it's a business, not an open forum. |
Diablobrian
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 - 06:54 pm: |
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Cluckcluckpush,
I don't believe that to be an accurate statement. I have seen very few posts deleted and most were very inflammatory.
People are definitely allowed to have negative opinions, they are not allowed to disregard the rules of the forum.
I have however seen sponsors of this forum take financial losses to keep their customers happy.
This is a fairly small market. The sponsors cannot afford to give bad service.
The lack of negative posts is because there is very little reason for them. |
Topgunbandit
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 - 10:50 pm: |
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I don't understand Chuck, are you an unhappy Revolution Performance customer ? I would hope this forum would allow all members to speak freely about the service they have received from anyone. A sponsor who wouldn't want that would obviously have something to hide. That is why I asked for the feedback. I hope that Revolution Performance stands by their work as their reputation is why I went there in the first place. |
No_rice
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 - 10:53 pm: |
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the main difference with most of the problems people might have with a sponsor on here is that they are usually polite enough to give said sponsor a chance to correct the problem before slamming them in the public spotlight. and the vast majority of the time said sponsor makes good on there word and fixes whatever the problem might have been.
i for one have seen some posts that gave a negative impression of a sponsor, and dont remember them being deleted for it.
i think fairly highly of most of the sponsors on here and have had some long conversations with some of them, but i have a big mouth and a crappy attitude when it comes to getting screwed over and would have no problem voicing my opinion as such if that where to happen and i was blown off about it.
that being said all i have ever had is good dealings with any of the sponsors i have conversed with |
Bartimus
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 - 11:12 pm: |
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Hmmm, no comment |
Topgunbandit
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 - 11:22 pm: |
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Thanks No_Rice,
Cluck had me a little worried there for a minute. By the way, I know it's not a Buell but I thought people might like to see my last project that I did with a couple of buddies. It is currently in "Two Wheel Tuner", April issue.
It started life as a 2002 Suzuki GSX-R 1000 |
Diablobrian
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 - 11:27 pm: |
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where did you get that swingarm? I like the billet look with the huge eccentric.
I've always been a sucker for bikes with a sss.
The mh900e's tubular trellis sss is the best though.
sss=single side swingarm. |
Topgunbandit
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 - 11:37 pm: |
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I made that swingarm. Actually I designed it, our CNC machinist Alan Lehman cut it. It started as a 170 lb piece of aluminum. We were able to do a 240 tire with no frame mods, just an offset front sprocket. It work really nice. I put about 100 miles on the bike when it was done last fall. We just took 2nd place at the Cobo Hall Autorama in our class. The bike is currently for sale, if anyone is interested. |
Tork
| | Posted on Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 09:59 am: |
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Very nice, Topgun. Impressive workmanship. Looks like a sweet drag bike. |
Blake
| | Posted on Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 04:48 pm: |
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THANK YOU BRIAN! You nailed it! Our sponsors represent the cream of the crop, the very top of the Buell dealerships and Buell aftermarket. They ROCK!
I don't know who this cluck fellow is but he sounds like a man with an axe to grind. We've made some enemies over the years for sure. Some have threatened lawsuits, some attempted to crack/hack the board, some go around all over the internet badmouthing us and attacking our sponsors. Most all are folks with overblown egos and megalomaniacal senses of entitlement who tried to disingenuously exploit our community here. If it doesn't benefit them, they feel obliged to deride it. Sad, but true.
Yet BadWeB rocks-on, on account of all the great folks who indeed are BadWeB. We aren't a web site, we are a community of Buell enthusiasts. Without the folks, the web site wouldn't mean a darn thing.
"You will never see anything but positive things for sponsors of this site, if anyone has had any trouble with Revolution or any other paying sponsor... their post would be deleted. "
That is about the most inaccurate pile of BS yet posted on this forum.
I know this because I myself have criticized a number of BadWeB sponsors. Ask Matt of Trojan-Horse, or Kevin of Drummer/KD-Fab, or Brian Nallin of Revolution Performance/Millennium, or Aaron Wilson of NRHS, or Al of American Sport Bike.
Constructive criticism is welcome, even applauded. All of our current sponsors have the integrity to endure the views of folks here who might be thoughtfully critical of their products or services.
What BadWeB doesn't tolerate is malicious derision of any honorable business venture, sponsor or not, period. You want to badmouth someone or their business, you'll have to do it elsewhere. Period. Neither do we tolerate hucksters who masquerade under pseudonyms in an attempt to disingenuously peddle their wares, especially when said wares are dubious at best and rip-offs or outright frauds at worst.
BadWeB is neither business, nor an open forum. It is a Buell Enthusiasts' community and discussion forum. BadWeB does not generate a profit. Never has. Maybe it should, I dunno. I was never interested in making the place into a job for myself. Maybe I should. Very doubtful that it would ever be worth it for me from a business standpoint, not while I can charge the going rate doing structural analysis.
So please take the above to heart cluck man. If you intend to stir up trouble here, I suggest you take another look at the BadWeB Terms of Use Policies.
Have a nice day.  |
Blake
| | Posted on Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 04:50 pm: |
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No Rice,
Would you care to correct your characterization of the 2003 belts? You claimed that the majority failed within a couple thousand miles. That is utter nonsense. |
No_rice
| | Posted on Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 10:09 pm: |
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blake,
ok, i'll make this short and sweet since my day has consisted of finding out i now owe more a month to my exwife than i make after taxes so my temper is a little short and my mind is kind of clouded.
maybe i shouldnt have taken that as some kind of attack towards me for some reason. AFTER i go and comment similar things as brian had, and you stated similar things just with bigger words.
instead of getting a thanks also, i get ragged on for saying a MAJORITY, when maybe you would have been happier if i had said a FAIR SHARE? if nothing was wrong with them, no one would recommend a belt upgrade most of the time the topic is brought up, and the belt wouldnt have been upgraded how many times now? is it 3? cant remember for sure. i dont believe it is utter nonsense, maybe im off by a few belts or a few miles, but THEY ARE A WEEK LINK. i know some 03 belts are still out there, many people may have gotten a fair share of miles out of those belts. i got over 9000 out of mine. on the other hand many people couldnt make it last more than a few thousand miles as stated on this board more times than i care to count.
especially in this kind of application it should seriously be concidered a needed upgrade if it is the original first edition 03 belt.
sorry if i have taken what was said in a context it was not ment, as i stated i could just be letting other things influence the way i interpreted the comment directed towards me...
i still think highly of you and look forward to meeting you one of these days. maybe at homecoming? 
(Message edited by no_rice on March 16, 2006) |
No_rice
| | Posted on Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 10:10 pm: |
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ok so that wasnt so short lol |
Thansesxb9rs
| | Posted on Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 10:27 pm: |
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I still have my stock 03 belt on my bike, the only problem with them is when they are twisted or pinched it breaks the kevlar bands and weakens them, that is when they break. |
No_rice
| | Posted on Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 10:44 pm: |
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i still have one on my other 03 sitting on the garage. they can last yes. but many didnt and i dont think this one would under that stress. that was my point, thats it, thats all.
if everyone honestly wants to RECOMMEND running the stock 03 belt behind that motor before or after a shot of juice then go ahead. wont change my opinion on it either way. i'll still say dont do it. maybe it wont break right away, maybe it will. and if it does break by a shear act of god, maybe it will be a clean break and it will just leave him and his bike sitting peacefully alongside the road in the middle of nowhere. the other chance is that it will do what mine did. i know of only a couple others that had the same thing happen to theirs. if it does that though i will atleast feel better having said it could happen easily enough and that it was preventable.
that being said i am going to bang my head against the wall with the hopes of lulling myself to sleep |
Skyguy
| | Posted on Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 11:08 pm: |
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I will be buying the upgraded belt setup as soon as finances allow. My 03 belt failed at 8,000 miles. It was never abused and I would have changed it at 12,000 as it called for.
I figured it had a built in safety factor but would not have pushed it. It scares me to think of it failing as I drive hard out of a corner. IMO it should be a safety recall item.
I wish I had known of the need to upgrade to the '04 setup before I wasted $150.00 on another 03 belt at the useless "T-shirt" dealer in Loma Linda. It is the only thing about my bike (and BMC) that burns my arse. |
Court
| | Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 06:09 am: |
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Hey. . . wanna know how bad I feel? I'm running a 12 year old belt and I am really ticked about the money I spent on the 2 spares I have hanging in the workshop.
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.....maybe when the folks at NRHS get done adding the 60HP to my bike it'll trash the old belt.
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Court
| | Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 06:16 am: |
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>>>>Constructive criticism is welcome, even applauded. All of our current sponsors have the integrity to endure the views of folks here who might be thoughtfully critical of their products or services.
That's pretty much an accurate statement. The salient thing about sponsorship is that it imputes a degree of committment to the community. If a Buell owner does encounter a problem, kids it's not a perfect world, I can't think of one of our sponsors who hasn't or wouldn't go way out of the way to resolve it.
By the way, if you want to accuratly characterize pre-03 belt failures the most accurate term to refer to frequency of failures would be "a very small number". I suspect it's far less than 1%, but don't know.
The belt is a gift design for use on a consumber motorcycle. |
Cluckcluckpush
| | Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 06:51 am: |
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I publicly apologize for my last post. I did not mean to make trouble.
It will not happen again, Blake. |
No_rice
| | Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 08:10 pm: |
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like i said i was in a bad mood lastnight and am sorry if i over reacted.
anyway back on the topic. i personally believe that the original 03 belts are not the best idea on this particular setup. i still have yet to hear anyone recommending it be left on unless i missed that, but on the other hand i am being singled out for saying that they are capable of failure and dont recommend it. even a new style belt would be a better idea in my opinion. honestly i would run a chain. doesnt mean i dont like the belt because i actually do. i just want the extra strength so i dont strip on out like i did last time.
that being said, you are right that i dont know exact amounts. there is also no way of knowing for sure how many failed or didnt. even a small percentage is still a fair amount in the big sceem of things. if nothing was wrong why does it seem to be common knowledge that they are a week link. he asked a question and i am giving an opinion and first hand knowledge of what could happen. thats it. wether 400 broke or 40 broke that was alot of the time on a mostly stock setup. why put all that time and money into a motor and such, just to have something that is very questionable as to wether or not it will handle the extra strain. it might by chance. i cant read the future. all i can do is warn someone what might happen if it does give out. and like i said, i still have one bike running the stock 03 belt.
anyway, enough of this. i read something once that i find true everytime an internet argument comes up.
"arguing on the internet is like winning a gold medal in the special olympics. in the end your still a retard."
that being said i feel stupid everytime i have to bicker with someone on the internet. i mean what is a person on the otherside of a computer to do in an argument? push their caps lock button at me?
thats not why i come to this site, and not why i have grown to think of some of the people on here like family. |
Topgunbandit
| | Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 10:04 pm: |
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Alright I'm convinced the belt has to go !!!
Now that being said I have one concern, I have checked a couple of places and a belt to chain conversion kit is around $700.00. But the rear sprocket is $63.00 from Vortex, the front is $30.00 from Dennis Kirk. The chain is another $115.00 from Dennis Kirk. Now what is the idler sprocket made from that could possibly cost ANOTHER $500.00 !!!! Am I missing something here ? Please tell me if I am. If not, I believe it's off the the workshop to start on an idler setup. One last thing, has anyone running a chain setup had any problems with the chain becoming to tight if the rear wheel becomes unweighted like under heavy braking into a corner? It just seems like if the chain is tight when you are on the bike and then the rear wheel comes up, the chain is going to be REALLY tight. Just asking. By the way it's nice that everybody has kissed and made, I was starting to worry about you guys. |
Saintly
| | Posted on Saturday, March 18, 2006 - 08:06 am: |
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$700.00 is B.S.!
http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/3842/142058.html?1140741995 |
Topgunbandit
| | Posted on Saturday, March 18, 2006 - 08:59 am: |
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Now that is what I'm talking about. Off to the workshop. Thank you Saintly. The list cost on this kit is ridiculous. IMHO |
Diablobrian
| | Posted on Saturday, March 18, 2006 - 11:21 am: |
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I'd buy an 0-ring type chain. "Diamond" chain is a basic industrial grade.
It would be like putting un-shielded bearings in your wheels. It would work, but for how long? |
Blake
| | Posted on Thursday, April 13, 2006 - 10:53 am: |
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I agree, the '03 belts were a disappointment. Lacking any actual statistics, we should not jump to any conclusions as to their failure rate or longevity. My only personal experience is with a friend's 2003 XB9S. He replaced his still whole and working fine '03 belt after more than 10K miles, closer to 15K if I recall correctly. He did go to the new '04 configuration.
Thanks all for your constructive demeanor and willingness to abide my sometimes terse commentary. I never mean it personally. Y'all rock, you included cluck man.
I wanna RIDE! |
Blake
| | Posted on Thursday, April 13, 2006 - 11:01 am: |
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And in keeping with the topic, Revolution Performance rocks! ![: ]](http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/clipart/proud.gif) I think that their lifetime warranties on top end kits speak volumes. If you are planning on attending homecoming this year, please plan on making it to the scheduled (to be announced) guided tour of Revolution Performance and Millenium Technologies. Rumor is that Brian Nallin himself will be putting a hod rod V-Twin through its paces for us on the engine dynamometer as well as conducting the tour personally and opening up the machine shop and the factory's cylinder plating area. I plan on being there. And I have plenty of questions too. |
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