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Diablobrian
| | Posted on Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 12:13 pm: | 
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It's not speed that kills, it's deceleration trauma.
The old saying is "it isn't the fall that kills you, it's stopping so damned fast."
Seriously though, at speeds in excess of say 120 or so on public roads there are hazards that pop up that you just can't avoid.
Race tracks and even the salt flats are groomed and cleared of hazards. Not to mention requiring you wear more than a wife-
beater and flip-flops.
I've been guilty of excessive speeds, we all have, but there is a point at which most people say that's enough. Unfortunately
some people do not seem to have this built-in self preservation instinct.
I've never been caught doing felonious speeds on the street and I'm grateful for that.
If you are bent on doing a serious top end run it should be done on a closed course for your safety and for the poor unsuspecting
granpa and grandmas heading for walmart on "your racetrack".
This isn't rocket science, not anymore than the guys in the canyons that are obeying the speed limit, but are head and shoulders
into the on-coming lane. It can only end badly.
"On a long enough time-line the survival rate drops to zero." Don't get in a hurry to reach the end of your time-line. |
Davy_boy
| | Posted on Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 12:18 pm: |
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I still want first crack at his wife ! |
Skyguy
| | Posted on Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 12:40 pm: |
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Davy, guys that ride at 155 on public roads don't usually have wives, children or for that matter many truly loved ones.......... |
Perry
| | Posted on Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 01:07 pm: |
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Here's my soapbox:
If you go 155 out at the salt flats, more power to ya! Go dude! Go for 200+ yeah!
When you are on a public road, there is ALWAYS a chance, no matter how small, that someone or something unexpected will happen and you are risking at least a slim chance of endangering someone ELSE. Who gives you that right?
If you can see with 100% certainty that nobody is around, and nobody is even capable of coming into your path, then that's your choice. But obviously most of the time with most of the riders going 155(and maybe none of you) they simply cannot guarantee that nobody will pull out in front of them, no hiker will walk onto the road, etc. etc. - and they are by definition risking other people's lives.
Riding extreme speed on public roads with ANY uncertainty involved is like shooting a gun over the horizon - there is a small, very small chance that the bullet will come down where someone is standing and you simply don't have the right to take that chance with someone else's life.
Obviously this guy who was jailed didn't see the police, and so he wasn't in a position where he could guarantee he saw everything and couldn't possibly endanger anyone else - so didn't see that he was endangering others, even in a small way.
And before you flame, YES this applies equally to idiots on cell phones and looking backward at their kids in the back seat, etc. etc.
My office overlooks a freeway - I had front row seats to watch a guy literally burned alive in his car because someone ELSE taking exactly such a risk caused an accident and a fire - and the doors wouldn't open. A second car involved was against the burning car - A good samaritan with a pickup rammed his truck repeatedly into the second car to push it away from the fire and saved two unconscious people inside, but the first guy we watched burn like a roasted marshmallow that gets dropped into the fire. A sight I won't forget, believe me.
Please don't risk the lives of me, my family, or any of my friends by doing anything stupid. |
Mrvvrroomm
| | Posted on Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 01:10 pm: |
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Only 155? What a poossy. Minnesota gave a ticket last year for 205. The guy was riding an RC51. LOL
If you dropped an RC51 out of an airplane it wouldn't reach a terminal speed of 205.
The kid went to court, they scared the crap out of him. He pled guilty. No jail time, huge fine, community service. |
Taxman
| | Posted on Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 01:12 pm: |
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a persons reaction time remains the same regardless of what they are doing. adrenaline can increase this a little bit but it's not going to be there for you every time.
if i'm riding down a subdivision road going 15mph i will notice the child that runs out in the road and have plenty of time/distance to swerve and avoid the child. if i'm going down that same road going 30 i've halved both the distance and the time that are available to me to react and i may not be able to swerve and miss the child.
the same thing must hold true for speeding on a highway. the faster you are going the more possible it is that you will not be able to avoid a situation. the faster you are going and end up in a crash the worse off you will be.
when i was 16 i was speeding down a road and a friend poped into my driving path. i wasn't able to react in time and i hit him. i swerved enough that i only clipped his leg enough to put him through 4 knee surguries, 2 years of physical therapy before he could walk, and ruining his football scholarship to michigan state university. if i had been going the speed limit i may have been able to avoid him. i also would have done less severe damage to him if i had hit him anyway. but the fact is that i hit a kid.
it is only my opinion. but the speed limit is there for a reason. i will freely admit that i was an extreme asshat when i was going to school/college. if your speeding it makes you a threat to everyone else on the road. if you can tell me that you checked and no-one else was on the road that you were driving down going 90+mph and knew that no one else would be on the road with you while you were there. than you don't have to wear the colon cap. but if you see a vihicle or pedestrian while your zipping down the road getting your thrills then i hope you have a huge hairy truckerbutt painted on the back of your helmut.
i'm not saying that i'm perfect. i'm just saying that i have payed the consequence of my speeding, and it has changed the way i think. |
Hanses25
| | Posted on Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 07:44 pm: |
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I'm sure glad my Buell will only go 134mph this way I'll never be a felon, with regard to speeding that is.  |
Rocketman
| | Posted on Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 07:49 pm: |
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If you go down the road at 55mph and you see a lamp post on your left at some point, you'll see that lamp post sooner if you arrive at the same point at 155mph.
Someone direct me to these scare stories where speeding bikers have killed innocent people, never mind children.
Where are they?
155mph is done often on any Sunday or Wednesday or.....on the open road and bikers do not die doing so. In fact, bikers are more likely to die at significantly slower speeds. That's because slower speeds represent an environment where danger lurks, which is more often than not why the biker was traveling at a reduced speed. Built up area, more traffic, more pedestrians, more road side furniture, more hidden obstacles.
Rocket |
Slaughter
| | Posted on Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 07:57 pm: |
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Here in the PRC, 100+ will get the bike impounded and you sent to meet bubba.
I live really close to some of the best mountain roads in CA - possibly in the USA - but everytime some doofus loses it, crosses the double yellow and finishes life as a meat-filled hood ornament, I end up feeling sorry for the person coming head-on minding their own business and NOT the idiot on the bike.
There's plenty of stupidity to go around - not always on the part of the car driver either. I see way too much on the part of inexperienced or over-eager bike riders. |
Brucelee
| | Posted on Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 08:18 pm: |
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Here is another difference that should be near and dear to Rocket's heart.
Everytime some jackass gets caught doing 100+ MPH, it puts another nail in the motorcycle rider's coffin. That is, it gives every legislator and regulator more ammunition to put restrictions on ALL RIDERS.
If I get a ticket at 75MPH, no one gives a whit. If some whit gets on at 155 after a chase, it is on the 5 PM news.
So, we "normal" riders get branded along with the jackass wheelie masters pulling their front ends up on the freeways.
The road to hell is paved with ...... 20 yrs olds on 600 cc sport bikes.
Details at 11! |
Aesquire
| | Posted on Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 08:20 pm: |
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There are indeed news stories of people killed by speeding motorcycles. Off hand, ( without a lick of real evidence ) I'd say 99.9% of them are when the car turns left in front of said bike. Bet the driver never saw the bike. ( and speeding could be 51 in a 50 zone. ) The other 0.1% are brave track workers who help run races.
It's a judgment call when & if you risk breaking the speed laws. The results can be severe, but usually are not. I would deny ever taking my Cyclone to redline in 5th, on a public road, in this public forum, for legal reasons. ( the acceleration curve drops off over 120, but that may be just my bike )
Be careful out there. |
Skyguy
| | Posted on Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 08:31 pm: |
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Slaughter if you get any time off to go play on the weekdays let me know! I live up in Crestline and I have ben riding "those" raods for 15 years. We seldom ever go over about 85.............. |
Rocketman
| | Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 12:26 am: |
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Well they've been legislating for more years than I can remember and 55 or 155 isn't going to stop them. Nor is it going to stop the industry giving us near on 200bhp street bikes in just a handful of years. Consider that it's only a few years ago that the Big 4 decided on a voluntary 100rwhp limit. Well that didn't last long did it. Money makes the world go around. Motorcycles too, and as long as there's an industry they wouldn't dare over legislate it, would they. God forbid if they did. We'd all be on them slow Buells.
Let me try this another way. Would you rather I lie, be a hypocrite, and proclaim high speed antics be those of an asshat, when I am that person?
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Diablobrian
| | Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 01:22 am: |
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Rocketman, the 100rwhp limit was a european thing.
I think the manufacturers were trying to head off more....you guessed it legislation over there.
Kind of like the 80's era speedometers that would only read up to 85mph. Even on my old VF-1000,
or the current voluntary 300kph top speed limit.
It's all just political maneuvering.
I'm not trying to pick on you here, just trying to help.
I would definitely prefer people be up front with me. saves trouble down the road because of mis-understandings.
(Message edited by diablobrian on March 17, 2006) |
Rocketman
| | Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 01:29 am: |
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Yes it was a European thing.
No worries, I always tell it like it is LOL
Rocket |
Brucelee
| | Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 10:55 am: |
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"Would you rather I lie, be a hypocrite, and proclaim high speed antics be those of an asshat, when I am that person?"
I would rather you acknowledged that some other point of view other than your own, has some validity.
If you don't think these incidents lead to more regulation and more oversight, you are not living in the real world.
My CHP buddies here in CA, keep me up to date on both. They have their orders these days, shut down the sport bikes. And they do what they are told.
Think it over! |
Skyguy
| | Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 11:34 am: |
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Brucelee,
My weekday riding buddy is a CHP officer. He rides a R-1 and I will just say I have to squeeze by litle Buell pretty hard to keep up in the canyons.
He has a few rules.
1. No stupid passing. He often sits behind a car when I get itchy. You know, the car alsmost always pulls to the right or there is a safe legal place to pass soon.
2. No loud pipes! No need to announce your approach.
3. Wear good gear!! He rides a 500 dollar set of leathers as he does not travel at full race speeds on the road.
4. More than one beer and you ride home alone.
5. Keep it under 100 mph. Although there is one chunk of road (top secret high desert location) that we will sometimes run out on for a minute.
6. Do not ride beyond your limits! Those limits should have been learned at a race track.
Yes he writes a lot of tickets to sport bikers.
Here are his ticketable offences.
1. Crappy gear, tennis shoes, t-shirts.
2. Splitting lanes to fast, weaving in and out of lanes.
3. Stunting on the highway.
4. Being rude to others on the road or scaring people in cars.
5. People with loud pipes •••• him off.
He does not really write speeding tickets. He writes only two kinds of tickets
1. Stupid
2. Arsehole
Says at about any moment he can look around and se a stupid arsehole that needs a ticket.
He says that I and my other buddy are the only people he will ride with becasue he hates drama and stupidity. Oh and it never hurts if you are 40+ years old and still alive.
I feel privlaged to ride with him.
Skyguy (reformed asshat) |
Skyguy
| | Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 11:35 am: |
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And crappy speeler lol
to tired to bother. |
Usefulidiot
| | Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 12:43 pm: |
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I've been resisting posting on this thread for a while now, but i can't any longer. I dont want to offend anybody, but i don't see how people continue to be surprised or outraged by this guy doing 155. The only part that surprised me is that he didn't get away. Coming from the sportbike world, i bought my buell because where i live now i can't enjoy an R1 like i used to. Just about everyone that i've ever met that is in their 20's and 30's and owns a decent sportbike has seen 155mph. My dad is 51 and has a modified cbr1000rr and hits that speed or faster on US27 on a regular basis. The thing is on these modern super fast bikes, you can get up to 155 and back down again if you need to faster than you can even think about it. If you've never gone 155 on a sportbike, go try it. It doesnt feel that fast. 155 on a sportbike feels like 110 on the buell. Fast yes, but not that big of a deal. Again, I don't mean to offend, just offering a point of view. |
Ortegakid
| | Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 12:52 pm: |
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And as I have said also, it is all relative, 196 on a public road is suicide and impossible right?,..(neither).Yes 110 on the bolt feels fast sometimes,flat out on a turbo'busa does not, sometimes! |
Mountainbiker90
| | Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 01:42 pm: |
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I'm going to have to pick on the rocketman. check over the accident/crash page on this website and you'll see a sportbike that went thru the middle of a car in europe and killed all involved. i've seen a couple bad wrecks. speed kills. i ride my motorcycle like i ride my bicycle when it gets really busy. there are too many stupid people out there. |
Davy_boy
| | Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 01:42 pm: |
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I like ridin fast as well but it's really foolish on roads were cagers tend to think the rode was made for them and no one else . |
Spike
| | Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 03:28 pm: |
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I'm torn about this kind of stuff. It has been my experience that you're free to cause all the accidents you want without repercussion, but if you operate a motor vehicle at a speed higher than the one indicated on the sign you're a criminal and deserve to be treated as such, regardless of how you've affected anyone else around you. The current traffic code is utter crap, but we still have to live by it for the time being. The fact is that society hates us. According to them, we have a death wish just for throwing a leg over a sportbike, regardless of how we ride. Every time a high speed case like this makes the headlines it's another nail in the coffin for our right to ride. |
Rocketman
| | Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 11:00 pm: |
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Bruce, this might not make sense to you but here goes.
If you ever see me doing 155mph on a bike I'll not be fooling around.
Rocket |
Diablobrian
| | Posted on Saturday, March 18, 2006 - 01:57 am: |
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WOW, Rocketman, Your government has been reading this thread!
http://www.motorcycledaily.com/17march06_speed.htm
here comes the legislation! |
Ryker77
| | Posted on Saturday, March 18, 2006 - 11:02 am: |
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heck I find it a challenge on my X1 to hold on, look for danger, and watch for cops at just 100mph.
Flyscreen sure does keep my from goining way too fast. |
Brucelee
| | Posted on Saturday, March 18, 2006 - 11:31 am: |
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"WOW, Rocketman, Your government has been reading this thread!
http://www.motorcycledaily.com/17march06_speed.htm
here comes the legislation!"
Rocket, this is exactly what I am talking about. I will reiterate, the 100 guys who get speeding tickets at 75 MPH do not make the news.
It is the one guy who does 155 who does, and this is the fodder these lawmakers need to justify the GPS or whatever. The freedoms get chipped away, one stupid act at a time.
So, the "sane" riders pay the price for the 22 yrs old moron's actions. |
Curtyd
| | Posted on Saturday, March 18, 2006 - 12:54 pm: |
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"WOW, Rocketman, Your government has been reading this thread!
http://www.motorcycledaily.com/17march06_speed.htm
here comes the legislation!"
OH MY GOD, we'd better get ready for the next British invasion, motorcyclists only I am sure. I sure would be leaving, but it would create a market for used bikes, this technology certainly not retro-fittable to carb machines.
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Ortegakid
| | Posted on Saturday, March 18, 2006 - 04:05 pm: |
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If ever such an insanely stupid system is truly produced and implemented, it will be a sad day indeed for motorcycling. Cannot believe anything so assinine is being contemplated! |
Rocketman
| | Posted on Saturday, March 18, 2006 - 05:17 pm: |
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The talk is of the system being implemented in central London in 2008 for a trial period.
It has NOTHING to do with the speeds we are talking about here.
Remember all those dispatch riders doing 155mph over Tower Bridge. Man those were the days. I can see the headlines now, 'City Trading Brought to Standstill Over Slow Delivery Times - Shares Plummet as Crisis Looms'
Rocket |
Ryker77
| | Posted on Saturday, March 18, 2006 - 05:26 pm: |
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The thing is on these modern super fast bikes, you can get up to 155 and back down again if you need to faster than you can even think about it
Hmm. I guess those "modern" sportbikes are a heck of alot better than my old 98 s1w. Becuase I sure in the hell wasn't able to avoid the old lady cager and that was only at 45mph.
How many of those 100mph plus riders have ever done a full speed to 100% full stop. I practiced alot when I had a bmw r1100sa and at 70mph the bike didn't stop any quicker than a car. This has been proven. |
Rocketman
| | Posted on Saturday, March 18, 2006 - 07:59 pm: |
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Because I sure in the hell wasn't able to avoid the old lady cager and that was only at 45mph.
Thanks, that's another nail in the coffin. Next we'll all be riding 49cc scooters restricted to 33mph, if at all.
Rocket |
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