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Easinc
Posted on Sunday, February 19, 2006 - 08:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I’m sure we’re all anxious to find out the results of your testing as well as a date of when it’s all going to happen. However, I’m sure there’s an equal number of people that would also like to be able to compare numbers generated from the same pipe using the race ECM compared to that using one of the ‘tuned’ DL ECM’s.

I’d like to suggest that for each test, you pull a couple runs using the standard race ECM set-up prior to tuning one using the DL software. Not only is this how most of us are currently running, but it should be a great sales tool for those getting ready to sell mapped ECM’s. This way we can all see how much power the pipe gives as well as how much additional power can be gotten from a properly tuned one!

(originally posted this as a continuation to the original thread thinking it would be brought to the forefront, but as it remained archived, I decided to start a new one...sorry for the double post)
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Kowpow225
Posted on Sunday, February 19, 2006 - 10:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I'm with ya Paul.
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Buelldyno_guy
Posted on Sunday, February 19, 2006 - 11:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I think Blake has agreed to write the protocol for the test and yes Al and I think that we should start using the race ECM as the base line. We would like everybody to try and understand that it will be the Intake/Exhaust configurations that determine what shape the Power and Torque curves take. Tuning is more about ride ability and correcting lean and rich conditions found in every different configuration. However in most cases when we correct any lean or rich cells on the MAP there is a gain in the shape of the HP & TQ Curve. ... Terry
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Easinc
Posted on Sunday, February 19, 2006 - 11:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

That’s great news Terry. I think conducting the tests that way will not only help people decide what pipe is right for them, but which ECM is right for them as well....

Any closer to arriving at a date?
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Buelldyno_guy
Posted on Sunday, February 19, 2006 - 11:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Al in down at the Indy Show and talking to some of the people involved he will work out the details when he gets back. About the Race/Stock ECM, We have compared a Re-mapped XB12Race (his) to a re-mapped XB12Stock (mine)and can find no performance differences. Now having said that we know that there are differences inside in the algorithms, but the look up tables they use can be modified. We can not and would not try and turn a Stock ECM into a Race ECM. However we can reprogram the Stock to act and perform like the Race. The value if this is that, if you have a race we can re-map it and if you don't you don't need to buy one to get the same performance. So the cost of the DL SW and MAP is off set buy the savings in keeping your stock ECM. ... Terry
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Easinc
Posted on Sunday, February 19, 2006 - 12:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I hear ya and that’s great for those who have held off on doing any of these mods. My point is simply for those who have, and are already running with one of the aftermarket pipes and race ECM setups, the data comparing the mapped ECM to the standard race ECM will aid in deciding if they should invest a little more. I don’t doubt that as the race ECM was built for the Buell race can, a mapped one for the specific pipe set-up has to be better. It’s just that the data comparing the two will help us decide if the gain is worth the additional outlay....

Thanks Terry and keep up the good work. The information and data you guys provide us enables us to wear even broader Buell Grins!
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Buelldyno_guy
Posted on Sunday, February 19, 2006 - 12:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

To all you guys also "A Big Thanks" for letting us be part of all this. I finished the XB9 DL Micron MAP yesterday and sent it off to Bad Web'r "Buellrcr" who will be using it at Daytona. He called me and I was so pumped to know I could help a racer. The bike settled down to 91.5 RWHP and 69 ft/lbs of torque. The HP never drops all the way to RL and the TQ hits 60 at 3200 never dropping below that level, but climbs 9 more ft/lbs in a nice flat curve to the top.

It's Sunday and I am off to the shop to start to turn the XB9 into a Rev Perf 1208 Big Bore with a Stage 2 Track Conversion. ... You Know at One Time I Had To Work for a Living, God This Is Fun. ... Terry
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Al_lighton
Posted on Tuesday, February 21, 2006 - 10:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Short update, I'm kinda hurried at the moment.

Jardine is in, they have ponied up a pipe for the test. I talked to Travis Kay at the dealer show, he was enthusiastic. He didn't think he'd be able to make it to the test, though.

Everyone that thinks they are coming (or are interested in being there at the time), please send me your email address.

Craig, you and I should chat a bit again later this week after I get caught up after being gone for the past 4 days in Indy.
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Chadhargis
Posted on Tuesday, February 21, 2006 - 12:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

One question I have is weather or not the XB engine has a breathing problem or not. Could the stock airbox/filter and stock muffler in combination with some FI map tweaking make more power? If so, how much? I know changing to a more free flowing intake and exhaust will make more power, but how much more?

It seems to me that if Erik and Co. could make more power by changing the FI map, using a K&N filter, and opening up the exhaust a bit, they would. I know there are EPA noise and fuel economy issues, but is that the only reason they haven't done so?
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Glitch
Posted on Tuesday, February 21, 2006 - 12:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

blue{It seems to me that if Erik and Co. could make more power by changing the FI map, using a K&N filter, and opening up the exhaust a bit, they would. }
And they did, it's called the Buell Race Kit.
I know there are EPA noise and fuel economy issues, but is that the only reason they haven't done so?
That's why it's labeled "Race Use Only."
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Diablobrian
Posted on Tuesday, February 21, 2006 - 06:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

when and where will the shoot out be?
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Ewulls01
Posted on Tuesday, February 21, 2006 - 09:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

However we can reprogram the Stock to act and perform like the Race. The value if this is that, if you have a race we can re-map it and if you don't you don't need to buy one to get the same performance. So the cost of the DL SW and MAP is off set buy the savings in keeping your stock ECM. ... Terry

Buelldyno_guy - so for an inexperienced person are you saying that this is something you could do in place of the Race ECM? and if so would you recommend that I attempt this if I have no prior experience or just spend the $210 on the race ECM???}
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Buelldyno_guy
Posted on Tuesday, February 21, 2006 - 10:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

What I was trying to say was, if all you want is the Buell Slip-on, A/C and generic Buell Race ECM, then buy the Race Kit. But if you want improved performance and are using some other muffler or system your ECM will need to be tuned. DL allows us to do that, but you do not have to start with the Race ECM, we can tune the Stock ECM to the race ECM Fuel and Timing Table Values. You can put the $210 towards tuning a stock ECM to your needs. Contact Al at American Sport Bike for the cost and availability. ... Terry
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