| Author | Message | ||
     Hogs |
It seems more have opened up their 9`s with a 1050 kit etc. than those with a 12 to a 1450 kit? Those that may have bored their 12`s out to the 1450 kit etc. could ya post here ,How all went and the mods you did with.. I forget who send me an email saying that they had 3 or 4 12`s in their shop that were bored out and broke in pieces too many vibes as they said..Wish I still had their nick here on Badweb???Wonder if this is true or ??? Wonder why of all the 12`s out there now at this time that some or MOre have not mention it here on BAdweb?? Any info guys wd. be Greatly appreciated Big Time Thanks... | ||
| Duff24 |
you might send a PM to Shazam, that's what he's ended up with after going from a 9 to 1250 kit, then on to the 1450 kit... | ||
| Buell_892 |
the 9 kit is $$$ so i would imagine that the 12 kit would be even more! | ||
| Hogs |
Thanks Duff24, Thats one ,Who knows of anyone else Must be a whole bunch more than what ya can count on one hand?? Thanks Buell_892 yeah I`m sure the 12 wd. be more for sure.. | ||
| Buell_892 |
another thing is... are you willing to give up even more rpms with the bigger kit. Im not sure, but i think you give up rpms to get that little extra power, just like from the 9 to 12 difference... I THINK  | ||
| Hogs |
Buell_892, I`m like you not sure ...But I don`t think you wd. lose any revs.,with bigger jugs and pistons unless you changed the stroke? Unless you changed the valves/rocker arms,cams,pushrods etc.you wd change the revs,you wd. gain revs...Not much though.. | ||
| Thansesxb9rs |
Shazam's didn't lose any revs, he has the stock 9 ecm and a PCIII. His bike is scary and hauls some azzz. Plus he has the high speed pullies on it, 165 -170 mph easy. 80 mph power wheelies, when you start out if you give it too much gas your going over. I think it would be cheaper to take a 12 to a 1450 then it is for the 9. Sam had to use a 12's flywheel and I think some other misc items. Call NRHS and have a chat. | ||
| Blake |
How about supporting our sponsors? You want to promote NRHS please do so on a site they don't shun. The folks at Cycle Rama and Revolution Performance help keep this place running. Call me silly but I think that is worth some gratitude. You want to promote NRHS here, get them to cease shunning the place and rejoin the BadWeB Buell community. Deal? | ||
| Hogs |
Blake Not sure if you are saying that I was supporting NRHS IF I did somehow Sorry about that Bud...At this stage I would like to be able to just email someone back and forth about some mods, and get other Badwebbers opinions here on who or what mods (products) they had used as far as jugs, pistons, cams,springs etc.etc...As far as the jugs are concern I don`t think there is really more than 2 or three companies out there that support the 1450 kit for the buell I may be wrong...Thanks for the links by the way.. | ||
| Thansesxb9rs |
Sorry Blake, that is the only shop who's work I have seen, people can look where ever they want I really do not care. Didn't know it was bad to post non sponsor info up, will not do it again. That is who did Shazam's kit, so that is why I know of them, do not know anyone else who has had this done. (Message edited by thansesxb9rs on January 29, 2006) | ||
| Shazam |
Hogs, If indeed you have some questions about an 88" kit for your XB I would be happy to answer them as best I can... PM me the info you want and I'll try to get back to you in a reasonable fashion. I travel quite a bit for work some am "unplugged" sometimes for a few days at a time. My 88" kit has approximately 6000 miles on it now. | ||
| Cataract2 |
Shazam, what is it like to ride with over 100 ft/lbs of torque? That's gotta be nuts. Plus you have over 110 hp at the rear wheel. Man, what a rush. | ||
| Whiskeytango |
I've only ridden with Shazam once, but to me, his bike was insane. It is the loudest streetbike I have ever heard and I have no problem saying that it scares me! It was awesome! WT | ||
| Wyckedflesh |
The 1450 kit is the same cost to install in a 12 as a 1150 kit is to install in a 9. They are the same cylinders and pistons for both kits. The decision you need to make is whether you have the heads done while the motor is apart and who you have do the case boring to fit the 3 13/16 cylinders. You also need to decide if you want cam work as well. You will not lose RPM as you are not changing the crank size, you are simply going to a larger bore. A race ECM is recommended as will most likely be larger injectors. To install just the bigbore kit without head work, cams, and injectors may leave it a little lacking in what your looking for. Speaking to Pammy or Wes at CycleRama would be a very good idea. If you tell Pammy exactly what you want out of the motor, she will be able to make the most accurate suggestions. Just simply saying "I want more power" isn't going to do it. Do you want more torque? More Top end, More Mid range, more bottom end. More revs, broader powerband. All of these things are what you need to decide as to what you want before you just jump up and say "I want an 88" motor..." That will affect the additional work to be done while the motor is torn down. That will help you decide on what kind of head work and the cams you will choose as well as what kind of exhaust to go with all that extra flow, and maybe even getting the throttlebody bored out. | ||
| Diablobrian |
In other words: A motor can be more, or less, than the sum of it's parts. The end result is a function of how well you plan. How happy you will be with it depends largely on how well you understand what you really want out of the build. For a street twin torque is usually considered to be king. (Message edited by diablobrian on January 30, 2006) | ||
| Hogs |
HEy Wyckedfish, I agree with ya bud, case boring any GooD machine shop should be able to handle this don`t ya think?? as the head work goes porting and polishing Don`t think that makes much difference as far as bottom end, midrange,or top end for that matter,if any wd. be small gains... YEs cams wd. change the power band where ya want it as well as VAlves/springs to make it rev HIgher if thats what ya want.. I`m thinking port and polish the heads clean them up and leave the stock valves maybe better springs/collars etc. (1450 kit) Stock cams... This should provide a torque monster and pull strong right up to the redline wd. ya not agree??? I run the stock header with a Force can on it also of course race ecm/tfi, k&n open air box and outer cover, also planing to run a 9 front engine sprocket and primary chain, also have a power commander not installed yet and updated oxygen sensor... | ||
| Hogs |
HEy Diablobrain , you took the words right out off my mouth:For a street twin torque is usually considered to be king. LoL | ||
| Hogs |
Oh yes, Cams wd. be a must down the road and adjustable pushrods, HEard Redshift make some good ones , never checked on all whats about there yet as far as cams are concern and yes one has to give alot of thought in this dept. | ||
| Firemanjim |
Headwork will probably net you the biggest gains in power, as will cam selection to compliment the headwork.All of my bikes have really "woken up" with these additions. Hogs,have Redshift cams in 3 different Buells and really like em. | ||
| Hogs |
Hey Firemanjim, Great to heard that about the Redshift, which buell models and what grinds are ya using? OH though I will probally do the other mods first and down the rd. do the cams... | ||
| Firemanjim |
Have 585's in the 1250 and had them in the 1450,love em.The Bonneville turbo bike has some 643's.Take a look here for cam spec comparison. http://www.nightrider.com/biketech/camxlbyman.htm | ||
| Hogs |
Thanks Firemanjim, Will check that link out...So are these better for the low end midrange or top end...When do you find they come on strong? | ||
| Buelldyno_guy |
On the 12's we use the Revolution Performance 3 7/8 Big Bore Kit for 1500cc or 90 cid. With steel valve Stg 3 heads and RS 585V2 cams you can spin it to 7K. On the 9's it uses the same 3 7/8 bore with the same heads and cams, for 1208 cc or 74cid. Rev limit can go up to 8K. ... Give Brian or Scott a call. ... Terry | ||
| Hogs |
OKay thanks for the imfo there Terry Appreciate it...Rs585v2 they are made by??? So you are punching these out all the way to 1500cc`s..Does that not leave any for later oversize just incase you have to rebore later for a 5 or 10 thous. clean up ..That must make the center between the jugs in the case really thin??? | ||
| Hogs |
Stupid me I see it is Red shift sorry about that.. | ||
| Buelldyno_guy |
We are using Rev Perf cylinders no re-boring the stock jugs. The cases go to 4.010 as they have done in the past for the 3 13/16 or 88 cid motors. Give them a call they will explain the details. ... Terry | ||
| Hogs |
Thanks Terry, Guess I should have explained it better I knew you were not using the stocks jugs, but was concern about the meat left in the cases between the jugs going to 1500 cc`s (90 incher)...I guess the linings are either thinner or inside the castings are thinner to allow the bigger liners. Thanks I will call when I get up to speed on all the info.. Better to have a good understanding of all before making calls here from Canada... Thats what makes BAd web the BEST!!!! | ||
| Buelldyno_guy |
The max oversize you can go on the stock case is 4.010 and up until this year that was for a 3 13/16 inch cylinders. Brian has worked on the new casting to get another 1/16 inch in cylinder bore to 3 7/8 and is still using the same case max of 4.010. I am building a 90 cdi tube frame engine now and will start an XB 12 when it's finished. But many of us have used a 4.010 case bore for some time with good results. ... Hope this helps. ... Terry |
