| Author | Message | ||
     Ewulls01 |
It looks like this has been a heated discussion previously but I need help. I had an XB9S with the race kit and was pleased with the sound but then heard someone's that was louder and really liked that. I now have an XB12R with the stock exhaust and I want to know where to get the best bang for my buck. I am trying to decide between the Drummer (econo/original/loud), D&D, or Race kit. Keeping in mind the extra money I'll have to spend on an ECM what should I do. I am most interested in a sound that says look at me but stays in a reasonable price range! Thanks for all of your help in advance, E | ||
| Dana P. |
To what you sound like you are looking for and price the Buell race kit sounds like your winner.Give Daves a buzz in the sponsor section here on the Badweb.He'll hook ya up and with a Badweb discount. | ||
| Sgthigg |
I just got the Spec ops pipe. I love it. I was at a light today behing a squid on a kawahamki ninja. He didnt know I was there behind him when he started framming the hell out of his throttle trying to get attention I guess. I couldnt resist and hit my throttle and let her growl a little. Made his bike sound like a weed wacker. It was funny, no kidding it made the guy jump, then he had to back his bike up and ask what kind of bike is that? What kind of exhaust? How big is the motor? etc. Almost as if to cover up from being shammed. lol The exhaust note sounds really good in my opinion. Not obnoxious loud be will definetly bring out the Harley in the bike. I am trying to up load a reall good sound clip of it when I get it to work I will let you know. Love the pipe Odie! (Message edited by sgthigg on January 03, 2006) | ||
| Tommy_k |
I second the Spec. Ops pipe from Odie. It does sound awesome...gets tons of attention! The price is great too. Also, you save more big bucks because it keeps the valve in place, so you can run the stock ecm. How's it run...How's 89Hp and 79Tq to the rear tire? That's with the spec ops pipe, stock ecm, and KN filter. You can see the dyno chart here: http://www.specialops-online.com/18314.html Best bang for the buck out there IMO. Needless to say, I'm very happy. Good luck, TK | ||
| Drift |
Drummer.... | ||
| Buell12hundo |
the spec opps pipe, is a good pipe lots of complements and odie is a nice guy | ||
| Daves |
Depends on what you want. The race kit is 589.45 thru me and I have them in stock. The D+D is 535.36 but then you'll need an ECM for another 188.95 and an air filter for 58.45 Total for that setup 782.76 Both the Odie pipe and Drummer are good choices too. | ||
| Jerseyguy |
Check out the standard Drummer and the all new Drummer SS at www.kdfab.com. Make sure to visit the testimonials page and the customer bikes page. We have a lot of very satisfied customers. | ||
| Dana P. |
They are all good systems. Pick the one that fits your needs and budget and you won't go wrong. | ||
| Diablobrian |
There are trade-offs on some of these pipes. Are you interested in having the best mid-range, top-end hp, general overall performance improvement, or just sound? If you honestly assess what your criteria are then the choice should be fairly obvious, as each fills a niche. The Knowledge Vault has loads of info on the strengths and weaknesses of the various pipes. I just re-read your post. I would guess The ss drummer might be the can for you. (Message edited by diablobrian on January 04, 2006) | ||
| Jxb |
I have a Drummer 'original', race ecm, & Buell pro air filter on my XB12Ss. It made an awesome difference and it definitely will give it the "look at me" sound that you are looking far... | ||
| Sinatra |
D and D. period.the sound is better than most of my friends harleys....they all wish their HDs sounded like my xb9sx....the D and D is a loud pipe.....i cant even hear my ipod over it with my helmet on.....it hurts my ears on the highway at speeds above 50 it just sings the most beautiful note, a loud note but beautiful.that is why i chose a buell...i wanted that sound..... | ||
| Tommy_k |
"I am most interested in a sound that says look at me but stays in a reasonable price range!" Dude, roughly $310.00 total will get you a rockin pipe from SpecialOps, and a KN filter from Daves. That with the stock ecm netted me 89rwhp and 79rwtq. No other combo can touch that for near that money. TK | ||
| Fullpower |
drum Drum DRUM DRUM DRUMMER | ||
| Perry |
It's all about tradeoffs. You can read the debates on any one of around 500 threads that all contain EXACTLY the same information and opinions about various pipes, over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over.... Not to sound rude, but better to read the existing threads than rekindle the same old pipe debates... In my opinion it's all been said before and all the info is there that you need to make your own personal decision. As for me, I just went with the race kit, which offers GREAT sound/performance/cost ratio. | ||
| Whiskeytango |
You just can't go wrong with a Drummer. Kevin is a cool guy who stands behind his products. When I got my Drummer SS, Kevin was on the phone before, during and after the installation to make sure that I was happy and satisfied with it. I haven't gotten that kind of customer service in years. When I ordered the Drummer catch-can/breather kit, Jerseyguy talked me through that installation and included enough extra hose for me to rework the system in a couple of different ways. If I sound like a loyal KDfab customer, it's because I am! Give them a try! WT | ||
| Daman |
Micron | ||
| Medic_2512 |
Jardine is great and priced at around $215 or the D&D, and Special OPS are also awesome for alittle more money. | ||
| Nasty73z |
Where on earth did you find the Jardine for $215? I used one of the cheapest places I know and it was $235 plus 15 for shipping... | ||
| Ewulls01 |
Cool thank you all for the advice... with any of these options does this void my warranty? I have never had a warranty on any thing that I own and I am thinking it will come in handy!!! Any advice? Thanks again.. E | ||
| Skully |
Erik, I notice you have a XB12. Have you seen the testing Al at American Sportbike is doing? By properly mapping the Buell (!) ECM and using the Micron full exhaust system, he is getting 100 RWP out of the stock motor with tons of torque! All of the advice above is good. Look objectively at construction, materials, cost, sound, and where power is made. You may want to consider BadWeB sponsors as well. I think most will be glad to provide dyno charts supporting their claims. However, understand that runs on different dynos and different bikes may not be comparing apples to apples but will give you an idea as to how and were the muffler makes power. Keith | ||
| Dana P. |
Erik as far as your warranty??? Talk to your servicing dealer.Ask them if they will void it or honor it. Some dealers view the mods as far as Exhausts and ECM's differently.Talk to them and let them know of your intentions and maybe it'll help if you let them do the install. As for mine in my area...I did my own work and they honored the warranty. | ||
| Steve_larson |
Erik: Our experience over the many years of selling exhausts, and everything we have ever known in the legal world of warranty, is that the warranty (or lack thereof) and the problem have to be related. If you headlight goes bad, or the handlebar breaks, they are going to have a hard time blaming an exhaust system for the problem. If you stuff the muffler through the rear tire because you forgot to tighten the bolts, you are probably not looking at a warranty situation. Putting on an exhaust has to our knowledge never been an overall motorcycle warranty issue, and should have no effect on the overall warranty of the bike. It will only have an effect on the warranty of the exhaust. And although our exhaust is making some fantastic power gains on the Buell, we think it will be very difficult for any warranty issue to be raised in terms of internal motor components due to this increase. Steve Larson Micron Exhaust Customer Support 1-888-963-1212 (Message edited by steve_larson on January 05, 2006) | ||
| Vaxb |
Daves, What is our price on just the race pipe for a xb12r? | ||
| Daves |
355.45 for the polished ceramic race muffler. 589.45 for the whole race kit Steve, no disrespect but I was just involved(loosely involved,it wasn't here) with a warranty dispute about a broken ring and the Buell owner had a D+D and K+N air filter but did not have the race ECM. Buell denied the warranty claim. I do not think their stance would be any different with your exhaust(or any other aftermarket exhaust). Yes, the dealer has a lot to do with it when it comes to warranty as long as they are willing to falsify what has been done to the bike as far as mods. Want the best chance of keeping your warranty intact? Buy the Buell Race Kit that is designed for your bike. Want the other couple HP or the louder sound? Get something else but be forwarned,you may be voiding the warranty on your engine. | ||
| Buelldyno_guy |
Daves to follow your thinking as a dealer you do not sell items that do not have the "Bar and Shield" or "Buell Logo" with out telling the customer that they may have compromised their warranty? I don't understand how you could support after market items such as the Cee Bailey's Windscreens, if that's you view. Isn't one of the ideas about this site , that is allows us all to see what's out there and make up our own minds be it OEM or Aftermarket? ... Terry | ||
| Daves |
No, I sell plenty of aftermarket stuff. But it can become a warranty issue, to NOT tell your customers that would be the dis-service. A windshield isn't going to affect the warranty. Pipes,air filters,aftermarket fuel deliver systems,altered factory fuel systems certainly can and have affected peoples warranty, as they should. The new programmable software from Techno certainly will and should void the warranty on any bike it is used on. I will sell it but I will tell each and every customer that they are voiding their warranty. Absolutley we should all be able to make up our own minds on what we want on our own bikes. But to come on here and state the an aftermarket exhaust will not ever be a warranty issue is just not true. You know that as well as I do. This is Steve's quote "Putting on an exhaust has to our knowledge never been an overall motorcycle warranty issue, and should have no effect on the overall warranty of the bike. It will only have an effect on the warranty of the exhaust. And although our exhaust is making some fantastic power gains on the Buell, we think it will be very difficult for any warranty issue to be raised in terms of internal motor components due to this increase. " Like I posted, I just went thru this with a fellow Badwebber and his warranty was denied. That is a fact that I have first hand knowledge of. I talked at length with people at the factory that were involved. The Buell Race Kit voids your warranty if you read the fine print. That's why I said "Want the best "chance" of keeping your warranty intact? Buy the Buell Race Kit that is designed for your bike." | ||
| Perry |
Wow, the factory race kit voids the warranty? Since the dealer sold me both the extended warrantee AND the race kit without any mention of such, I'd take that one to court if they tried to deny warranty.  I think my dealer would still cover it, but I gotta admit I am disappointed (in Buell) to hear they won't officially warranty their own race kit. | ||
| Dana P. |
Like was said it depends on the dealer. Buell marks the kit as *For Race use only!! Whether your dealer warrants it is up to them. | ||
| Daves |
You should be in the clear with the race kit. |
