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Cataract2
Posted on Friday, December 23, 2005 - 08:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

What would cause a breather on the XB's to pop up? Blocked line maybe? I have the relocation kit with the Norris catch can and found my rear jug to be covered in oil. I found the breather to be popped up and figure that's where it came from.
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Cataract2
Posted on Friday, December 23, 2005 - 08:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Ok guys, this is really crazy.

Anyways, I took some pictures. I really need some help here.

In this first picture you can see where my breather filter for the catch can rests. I circled the area where you can see oil at in this picture. I found a drip coming from that filter over that area.


I also found the crankcase breather popped up, which I circled in this picture. I found a light amount of oil around the breather in that area.


Here's a picture of a side view of it. You can see how I would not have noticed this for some time.


Here's from underneath all of this. You can see the oil stains...


Another shot.


Annnnd another.


I've circled on here where I found the drip on the filter.


Ok, my question is. If the crankcase isn't breathing well would it cause the PVC valve to move to the up position? I only found the rear one like this the front one was ok.

Also, why is the filter I put on for the catch can dripping oil? My guess is it's been dripping oil on the engine for some time and only now got bad enough to drip low enough for me to notice it? Did I do something wrong in my routing of the oil lines? Al, can you give me some insite here? I am not happy about this. Also, what should I use to clean my engine up to minimize the staining caused by this? Should I rotate the engine to do this?
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Ftd
Posted on Friday, December 23, 2005 - 09:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Ryan,

I don't know why the breather piece is popped up but On my X1 the KN filter did the same thing as yours. Mine came located on top of my American Sport Bike billet catch can. I have the catch can mounted on the frame right next to the engine. It continually misted oil all over that area so I relocated the filter down near the exhaust outlet. See photo. I realize this is on a tuber but I still think you need to relocated that filter to a lower, out of te way location.

Frank
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Cataract2
Posted on Friday, December 23, 2005 - 09:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

You might be right FTD. I'll give that a try. Guess I'll be degreasing the engine tomorrow. sigh....
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Cataract2
Posted on Friday, December 23, 2005 - 10:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Ok, another question. I've for a power washer for degreasing that hooks up to an air compresser to spray cleaner onto engines. Was wondering if I could use that to get that oil and hopefully oil stains off the engine there.
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Buelldyno_guy
Posted on Friday, December 23, 2005 - 11:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Power washers can work OK if used in moderation. We use "Simple Green" and just rinse it off with hot water, no pressure needed. ... The breathers on XB's are PVC valves and can come loose if the line is moved or rotated or if they become plugged. It's a minor issue on race bikes and an item we inspect for. ... Terry
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Typeone
Posted on Saturday, December 24, 2005 - 12:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I only found the rear one like this the front one was ok

mine did the same thing in stock config, only the rear too. i just chalked it up as my fault for not securing it back in fully when i installed the TFI. i pulled the PVC just to poke around and check it out when things were apart. they don't take much to pop up a little, pretty loose fit. i'd just push 'em both in again securely and see if it happens again. mine never popped up again and i'm currently running the breathers out of the intake path.
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Opto
Posted on Saturday, December 24, 2005 - 01:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Cat,
If you have the access, Zippo lighter fluid on cotton buds is good for cleaning up small areas of oil, like on fins etc.
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Cataract2
Posted on Saturday, December 24, 2005 - 08:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I'll keep that in mind. Thanks guys. I'm thinking I pulled the breather up while installing the routing lines for the catch can which left it in the up position. As for the filter dripping, I'm going to reroute that out of that area and down near the catch can to prevent this from happening again. I'm not a happy camper right now.

Cleaning, I'm going to first spray it down with degreaser, rinse, and then simple green, rinse. Hope this works. I'm just glad it happened there and now in a place everyone can see.
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Crusty
Posted on Saturday, December 24, 2005 - 09:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Buy a can of Gunk.
Spray it all over the affected area.
Hose it off.
Done.
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Jerseyguy
Posted on Saturday, December 24, 2005 - 09:16 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I'm helping Kevin sell the Drummer catch cans - Mike Norris is machining the bodies for us. I tested it out on my bike before the weather got bad here in Jersey and I was surprised at how much gunk came out of the thing, even after short rides. In my opinion oil will eventually drip out of the filter no matter what kind you use or where you put it. I opted to use a free flowing, sintered metal industrial solenoid valve muffler as a filter instead of the K&N paper type because it was smaller and will last forever. We are supplying enough parts for several mounting positions. It's your choice. If you go to www.kdfab.com in the accessories area you can see what I'm talking about. Personally, the last place I'd put mine is on top of the engine as I'm sure it will drip a small amount eventually.

As far as the breathers coming out, I noticed that they are not held in very tightly. The stock, pre-formed hoses didn't work out well when I put in my brass "T" fitting. I opted to supply new hoses with our kit that are cut to length so they don't apply any upward pressure on the breathers.

I've got 15 of the machined can body halves on order from Mike but I haven't gotten them yet.
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Cataract2
Posted on Saturday, December 24, 2005 - 09:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Well, it's been on since around Nov. and judging by how it looks I'd say it's been doing it for some time. I think I'll zip tie the hoses near the breathers down to prevent them from pulling up on them.
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Hogs
Posted on Saturday, December 24, 2005 - 09:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Hey Cataract2
For what its worth I too have that Catch Can that Mike makes ,Nice product ,I have an extra fitting on the top of mine Mike did for me, and I run my two vent lines each on their own into the catch can, and on top I run an adapter out of the 1/8 pipe thread to I wd. say a 3/4 inch clear hose up and around about 12 inches or so and bent back down,
Guess what I`m trying to say is If I don`t make it a habit to drain the can every day or so that I will get air/soaked oil mist coming up that clear hose and then to blow out the end IF I don`t keep on top of it...But I do...So with that filter (k&N) it will get laden with those fumes/oil and then start to drip,Cure Hmmm maybe a little larger catch can, or the inlet hoses moved down away more from the Outer filter/vent line... Or ????

As I said the catch cans are 100 percent fit and finished , Looks as Factory or Better than one can get...I have to agree with Jersey you will always get a build up... if ya don```t drainnn..Just check your tires and all every day before ya get on your RIDE and while your at it drain the can simple as 123...
I dump into a little lets say a baby feed bottle and all Summer riding (15,000 klms) I may get close to fill that little sucker up
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Cataract2
Posted on Saturday, December 24, 2005 - 10:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Hogs, thanks for the post. I was wondering how that would happen and now that you said you would get a mist coming up is you didn't drain it every day, now I know. That would be what's happening I would say.

Anyways, I went to town on the bike with the pressure washer using degreaser and simple green. Looks like there's now stains and the engine now smells lemony fresh. I'm going to reroute that filter elsewhere.
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Pwnzor
Posted on Wednesday, December 28, 2005 - 11:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

So far (knocking on wood as I type this) there are no indications of an oil leak on my bike anywhere after 2 years and about 24k miles. If there were, I would probably use Crudcutter, available at your local firearms outlet.
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