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Hkwan
Posted on Monday, December 12, 2005 - 02:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

If I want to stick a very strong magnet (from hard drives) on my oil filter (for attracting metal particle and triggering traffic lights), would the magnet field affect anything (starter solenoid, for example) on my bike?

If so, which location should I put the magnet? I suppose I can put that under the D&D exhaust, but I just want to know if I can utilize the location by having the magnet serves two purpose.

Thanks.
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Fran_dog
Posted on Monday, December 12, 2005 - 03:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Just an item to consider. You do NOT want to magnetize any of your rotating ferrous metal parts. For example,if the crank shaft or gears in the transmission became magnetized, they would attract particles of metal and cause excessive wear. I"m not sure if the oil filter location would cause this, but I would surely look into it further before putting a "very strong" magnet on you bike.
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Hkwan
Posted on Monday, December 12, 2005 - 03:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

yeah, that's why I want to know who has put a magnet under their bikes and see no ill effect.

So where do people put the traffic light trigger (basically a strong magnet as well)?
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Fcbuell
Posted on Monday, December 12, 2005 - 03:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Since I got my Buell (w/ exhaust underneath) ... had no problems with lights. At least in my case I just make sure to roll over one of the sensor thingys.

I mean, I think the stock exhaust has more metal in it then a 88 Chevy Caprice... do you really need a magnet :-)
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Fran_dog
Posted on Monday, December 12, 2005 - 04:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I've heard of magnets for oil filters, but I have never seen one. A guy here at work said he has seen them in the JC Whitney catalog.

I don't know how strong a magnet from a hard drive is, but I wouldn't think it very strong. I guess that depends on what other magnet you compare it to...

I haven't had any trouble at traffic lights either.
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Midknyte
Posted on Monday, December 12, 2005 - 04:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

If I sit thru more than one cycle of a light, I feel no guilt in motoring on thru it [safely].

Not directly related, but I've been hit while "doing the right thing". I don't plan on allowing myself to be a target again...
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Madsx
Posted on Monday, December 12, 2005 - 04:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Hard drive magnets are pretty strong but I dont know if they would effect anything internally
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Pammy
Posted on Monday, December 12, 2005 - 06:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Magnetic oil filter: Custom Chrome part # 270448. You should be able to get it from any dealer or aftermarket shop for around $11

That would be for a "long" filter. They make an even longer one as well.

There are stronger ones but the above mentioned part is more than enough.
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Pammy
Posted on Monday, December 12, 2005 - 07:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I have a Signal Sorcerer for the traffic lights. Simple and effective.
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Hkwan
Posted on Monday, December 12, 2005 - 07:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Pommy, is the Signal Sorcerer just a magnet as well? If so, where do you put that on the bike?
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Ftd
Posted on Monday, December 12, 2005 - 08:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I just read this today. Something to try.

Frank

http://www.v-rodforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29845
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Spiderman
Posted on Monday, December 12, 2005 - 08:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

A Hard drive Mag is no where near powerfull enough to magnatize a crank, specially if there is no physical contact.
Heck there is already a HUGE magnet attached to your crank.
It is part of your charging system.
If you want to do your own Magnetic Oil Filter, I would suggest putting it on the end of your filter, the flat spot oppiste the threaded end, that is the first place the oil will come into contact when flowing into the filter.

Have you found a way to mount it so it can be removed to be put on other filters?
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Isham
Posted on Monday, December 12, 2005 - 09:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

If just putting your kickstand down will cause that magnetic field to be broken how about just velcro a piece of metal to your shoe.
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Pammy
Posted on Monday, December 12, 2005 - 09:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

You can stick it to just about anywhere on the lower part of the bike.
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Kootenay
Posted on Monday, December 12, 2005 - 11:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

If you want to do your own Magnetic Oil Filter, I would suggest putting it on the end of your filter, the flat spot oppiste the threaded end, that is the first place the oil will come into contact when flowing into the filter.

Huh?
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Bud
Posted on Tuesday, December 13, 2005 - 12:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

some K&N oil filter have a magnet in it
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Buelldyno_guy
Posted on Tuesday, December 13, 2005 - 04:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Check out the American Sport Bike banner Al sells the Scott aircraft style stainless oil filter. You check both the magnet and screen then clean them and reinstall. We use them on our race bike and do on my other Buells also. ... Terry
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Cruisin
Posted on Tuesday, December 13, 2005 - 12:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Just an FYI for those that don't know, a hard drive magnet is really powerful. They're the type that if stuck to a filing cabinet might have to be pried off. I've used them to hang things on my front door that were too heavy for a regular magnet.

I would imagine you could stick one to the bottom of the filter and it's far enough away from everything that it wouldn't cause a problem. I don't think you'll get so much buildup that metal particles would have the opportunity to get charged and then float back into your engine oil...they'll stick to that magnet tight.
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2hogs
Posted on Tuesday, December 13, 2005 - 01:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

What? There are ways to trigger the lights? To think I've just waited on them all this time :-)

Just kidding. I just try to avoid those type of lights. As for metal particles, I just hope there aren't many and just change the oil and filter often.

However, I recall seeing magnets that will fit cycle filters in some catalog, maybe JP cycles? If memory serves they were removable and could be applied to the new filter. Haven't tired them though.
Cheers
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Hkwan
Posted on Tuesday, December 13, 2005 - 02:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Cruisin, that is the exactly location that I want to put the magnet - bottom of the filter.

The harddrive magnet is shaped like a small brake pad, very strong. I got 6 of them.
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Johnb
Posted on Tuesday, December 13, 2005 - 04:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Just a thought, I would think there is quite a bit of oil agitation/turbulance in the filter and probably not the best place to collect ferrous metal particles - a hard knock when riding could break a clump loose and potentially do damage.
In any case, assuming heavier ferrite metallic particles gravitate to the lowest point - I'd definitely locate those magnets at the bottom somehow and not the side circumference if possible. I've heard that some of the ferrous particles captured by the magnet are too small to be trapped in the filter.
I believe stock buell oil/primary drain plugs are magnetized and located at the lowest points of the swingarm oil reservoir and primary compartments - also one of the few places you can easily inspect for unusual wear and type of wear during maintenance..
Anyway, kinda cool combo idea to have the 'extra' protection of a magnet on the oil filter and traffic signal light loop detector triggering device; but, the exhaust muffler probably breaks the field coil just as well - obviously, just look for saw cuts in the road surface and roll over them.
Long ago as a hospital architect working w/engineers in the infancy of magnetic resonance imaging technologies - I was in awe of the power of industrial magnets and generated fields, cool stuff..

(Message edited by johnb on December 13, 2005)
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Hkwan
Posted on Tuesday, December 13, 2005 - 04:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I don't think the motor oil's drain plug is magnitized. The tranny's is.

It would be somewhat difficult to knock out the chunk of the particle for two reasons - the magnet is VERY strong. I would say it takes about 15 lbs/sq in or so (est. by seat of the pant when pulling it off ) to pull that off of a metal surface. I have it sticked to the side of the cube now. I need to watch out not to stick my watch on the magnets. I made the mistake of putting it close to the monitor. Now I have a permanent black spot on the screen.

2nd reason would be that the filter element itself would trap the particle.

Thanks for the comment, JohnB
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Coops53233
Posted on Tuesday, December 13, 2005 - 09:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

both of my drain plugs are magnetized.
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Bombardier888
Posted on Wednesday, December 14, 2005 - 02:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The local Hot Rod community in Australia recommends www.filtermag.com for their cars. This is an American company who produce the magnets for motorcycles as well
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Hkwan
Posted on Wednesday, December 14, 2005 - 03:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Coops53233, over priced option, IMO. I can just stick the magnet onto the filter and have the same effect.
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Johnb
Posted on Wednesday, December 14, 2005 - 04:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Bombardier888/Hkwan, that filtermag site has an interesting gallery of their product's effectiveness, they claim to be using specially engineered magnets for strength and field projection focus into the circumference of the oil filter.
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Pwnzor
Posted on Friday, December 16, 2005 - 11:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

hmph i stopped paying attention to traffic signals long ago. if there is no cross traffic i bail.
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