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Dana P.
Posted on Monday, December 12, 2005 - 09:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Fool don't be a fool who's forum/house do you think your visiting??? If he feels your being a fool then?????????????
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Buellfool
Posted on Monday, December 12, 2005 - 10:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Whatever. My point is that this is a Buell forum. I realise Blakes position but I belong to other forums (WRX and EVO) where all the moderators do is take action against bad language etc not banning people because they have differing opinions.
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Xbolt12
Posted on Monday, December 12, 2005 - 10:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Yep
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Dana P.
Posted on Monday, December 12, 2005 - 10:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I didn't say you had to like but ya gotta live with it.
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Opto
Posted on Tuesday, December 13, 2005 - 04:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I do agree that the XB12R is overall the most fun bike to corner of all time - if not the best handling bike of all time.

WTF?? Here I was all ready to go take a long test ride on a GSX600RR, because I like good handling bikes because they are SAFER and more FUN to ride than lesser handling bikes...I can already outrun or match most jap bikes in the twisties 2-up, (Ducati's are easier)so if I bought a jap bike I would be almost untouchable? (Don't worry, there's always someone who'll give me a good honest flogging usually once a year)

To each their own opinion but I agree to disagree with you Westozzie instructor. I wonder how many km's you put on your 9 and even if you are an instructor? or if you ever actually owned a 9? You refer more to magazine articles than from your own practical experience it seems. I would think that if you'd done several thousand km's on an XB then you would know that a lot of magazine reviews are far from the truth.
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Westozzie
Posted on Tuesday, December 13, 2005 - 04:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Opto wrote:
"I wonder how many km's you put on your 9 and even if you are an instructor? or if you ever actually owned a 9? You refer more to magazine articles than from your own practical experience it seems."

You are quite within your rights to disagree with me on handling issues. But, it's not true that I referred more to magazine articles than my own experience. If you read my posts - it all started from my own impressions. I only quoted magazine articles (and American ones at that 'cos it's no use quoting Aussie sources for our American brothers) to back me up.

It a bit silly of you to disbelieve that I am an instructor and that I really have owned a Buell when you clearly haven't done your research. I have placed a link to my website on this site (not a motorcycle website - true - but it mentions that I'm a motorcycle instructor somewhere). Also since you're in Australia I'm surprised you haven't visited the ABR (Aussie Buell Riders) site where there are plenty of pics of me and my XB9R (and my 954 blade, and even my wife).

You don't have to wonder how many km I did on my Buell. I did 7000km on my XB9R in the year that I had it. For the record, I do about 18,000km a year in total on all my bikes (I have a few) and I've been riding for 25 years. Over the years I've been fortunate to own quite a number and variety of machines and I think I am fairly well placed to discuss differences in handling between bikes.

As for you Opto: how do I know you really are an Aussie? - let alone own a Buell and "beat every other rider on the road - 2up"?



(Message edited by westozzie on December 13, 2005)
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Heads
Posted on Tuesday, December 13, 2005 - 05:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Good call, Westozzie.
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Westozzie
Posted on Tuesday, December 13, 2005 - 05:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Thanks Heads

Hey Opto,

As you claim to live in Brisbane, it should be fairly easy for you to get together for a ride with some of the ABR guys who live there too. They will be able to tell us if you can "walk the walk" as well as you "talk the talk". Do you want me to arrange it for you?
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2hogs
Posted on Tuesday, December 13, 2005 - 07:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Westozzie,
Nothing good can come from 'a spirited riding challenge' on public streets. If you feel the need to prove who can 'walk the walk' and 'talk the talk' do it on a race track. That way if someone is injured or killed its due to mechanical problems or lack of skill, not some stupid cage, pedestrian, etc.
Cheers

(Message edited by 2hogs+ on December 13, 2005)
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2hogs
Posted on Tuesday, December 13, 2005 - 07:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

M1combat,
Yep there are all kinds out there, and the a**holes rear their heads occasionally and they usually hang themselves. It seems many crave confrontation and the Internet is a safe way for them to do it and not get into trouble. Ignore them and they will go away and the rest of us can have constructive exchanges.

Maybe I'm mellowing with age, but I just laugh and check out other threads as I know what is the truth for me. Which is the Buell handles just how I like and I don't really care about the race-replica liter bikes as I don't want to work on them. I actually enjoy doing the routine services on both the XB12X and the FLTRI.
Cheers
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Glitch
Posted on Tuesday, December 13, 2005 - 08:03 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

ABR
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Jerseyguy
Posted on Tuesday, December 13, 2005 - 08:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Ut oh, ABR again.
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Westozzie
Posted on Tuesday, December 13, 2005 - 09:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

2hogs wrote: "Nothing good can come from 'a spirited riding challenge' on public streets. If you feel the need to prove who can 'walk the walk' and 'talk the talk' do it on a race track. That way if someone is injured or killed its due to mechanical problems or lack of skill, not some stupid cage, pedestrian, etc."
Cheers


Quite right 2hogs. I only threw down the gauntlet to Opto with 'tongue in cheek' and only because he claims to be such a top-gun rider.

I would never advise anyone to race on public roads. If what Opto says is true - he does it anyway.

As an aside, it is usually quite obvious to experienced riders if someone isn't as good a rider as they claim. You can tell simply by watching how smoothly the wanna-be top gun brakes, accelerates and corners and by the lines he/she takes. So if Opto came on a ride with experienced riders they'd know, and he'd know - without anyone having to race.
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M1combat
Posted on Tuesday, December 13, 2005 - 10:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Why can't any of you ABR people understand the fact that we don't mind differing opinion in the least? It's not the differing opinion that bothers me and others here... It's the way it's put out there.

I also get a little ticked when punk assed little salesmen come in here telling me that they have the coolest device since sliced bread but won't let anyone test the damn thing... That's another issue though...
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Westozzie
Posted on Tuesday, December 13, 2005 - 11:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

M1combat wrote:That's another issue though...

Why raise it in this thread then?
(or at all for that matter -it's been done to death)

[The way some people write about ABR here - you'd think it was some sort of terrorist organization headed up by Dr Evil

- instead of just an internet forum for Aussies who ride Buells.]
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Rubberdown
Posted on Tuesday, December 13, 2005 - 11:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"What we've got here is a failure to communicate"
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2hogs
Posted on Tuesday, December 13, 2005 - 01:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Westozzie,
I guess my point was any challenge even if done 'tongue in cheek' is confrontational in nature and has no place here. How many less experienced and/or less talented riders have you seen try to keep up with more experienced ones? What happens when the less talented looses concentration for even a second? Sometimes nothing, sometimes the price is more than most want to bear.

Nobody can fault your opinions, it's just a matter of how they are expressed.

What I've just typed are my opinions, and you may see them as confrontational, but most would agree they are not.
Cheers
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Heads
Posted on Tuesday, December 13, 2005 - 02:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Westozzie,looks to me that some people at badweb get pleasure out of trash talking ABR,which is ok.What stinks is if they find out you are a ABR member they just want to argue with you and keep the debate going.Iguess all the trolls will come in now.
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Dana P.
Posted on Tuesday, December 13, 2005 - 02:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

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Doughnut
Posted on Tuesday, December 13, 2005 - 04:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

What would the performance of a 9 be if all you did was bore it out to a 1203? Would it be like a "normal" 12?

(thread title is "XB performance?")
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Keys
Posted on Tuesday, December 13, 2005 - 04:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Doughnut, the 9 bored out to 12 will have a higher redline than a "normal" 12. The 9 is a short stroke and the 12 is a long stroke. BUT I'm sure others on this board can explain the difference better that I.
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Blake
Posted on Tuesday, December 13, 2005 - 04:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Doughnut,
There is an extensive discussion of that very issue somewhere on the board. It wasn't too long ago either, just a couple months at most. Either way, whether by 3-7/8" big-bore or XB12-stroke, you'll need better breathing heads/intake and more fuel to support the performance of an 1170 cc XB9 conversion.
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Xlcr
Posted on Tuesday, December 13, 2005 - 05:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

ABR, is that Sacborg's Australian branch?

Another organization for Buell owners who hate Buells?
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Buellfool
Posted on Tuesday, December 13, 2005 - 05:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I have not been logging on much recently. Why all the hatred about ABR?
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Blake
Posted on Tuesday, December 13, 2005 - 06:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"Blake you would have to be the champion of "Never in the wrong".

It seems to me that quite often you take offence when others express an opinion different to your own."


First off the "Criticize Blake" thread is HERE. Have at it, criticize me all you like there, but please cease polluting this and other threads with your personal critiques of my character flaws.

A man with integrity would offer an example in support of such a negative public accusation against another man. As I trust that you are such a man, I will await your presentation of the requisite examples.

I on the other hand will go off in search of examples to present where I have indeed admitted wrongness. The reason being of course that I am right and you are wrong. ;) Yes, I can laugh at that not-so-endearing character flaw of mine.

If merely expressing thoughtfully my opinion in opposition to those with which I disagree meets the definition of "taking offense", then I guess I'd have to agree that I often take offense to opinion with which I disagree. But I'm not sure that it is reasonable to interpret mere disagreement with the views of others or the thoughtful expressions of one's own opposing views as being in any way unsavory or offensive.

It's funny how some, thankfully few in number, who when met with thoughtful and well-presented disagreement will quickly abandon discussion of the topical issue, choosing instead to wage personal ad-hominem attack. Which party in that scenario is most offensive? :/

"I realise Blake's position, but I belong to other forums (WRX and EVO) where all the moderators do is take action against bad language etc not banning people because they have differing opinions."
Is it your mistaken impression that contributors to BadWeB have been banned for merely expressing a contrary opinion? Example please? I challenge you to produce a single one.

Thoughtful considerate debate is the life-blood of this and other discussion boards. It is only through the most obscene or repeated violations of board policy, a history of combative confrontation, and inconsideration for others that some have lost their posting privileges here.

"The way some people write about ABR here - you'd think it was some sort of terrorist organization headed up by Dr Evil"
Please recall that the ABR jerk, whoever he is, went so far as to attempt to crack (blatantly malicious attempt to harm/attack) this discussion board; that was after repeatedly and blatantly violating board policy concerning the marketing of merchandise, and the disingenuous masquerading via a number, at least 5, different users here.

Evil terrorist? No. Malevolent, dishonest, inconsiderate and for certain not welcome here? Absolutely!

Again, please, anyone wishing to further criticize me personally, do so on the aforementioned "Criticize Blake" thread.
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Grndskpr
Posted on Tuesday, December 13, 2005 - 06:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Another organization for Buell owners who hate Buells?

I post over there all the time, dont hate BUells, own several, However i do notice that you always bring it up
Why?
Maybe Blake can make a criticize Sacborg thread for you
Just a thought
R
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Buellfool
Posted on Tuesday, December 13, 2005 - 07:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I was trying to critique your critiques of others supposed character flaws.

Blake said - That kind of confrontational content is absolutely not welcome on this board. Did you already forget the policy to which you agreed when registering? You'll not be reminded of it again.

This sounds confrontational to me;
Blake said - Sound like you are calling liars those of us including the journalists who have come to that very conclusion. That would be unfortunate. Suggest you rethink your ego and presumed superiority in judging the handling characteristics of motorcycles. I accept your opinion as your opinion. I won't call you a liar or hold myself up as the man with the final expert say in the matter. Suggest you have the humility to do the same.

By saying that you will not call somebody a liar you are actually calling them a liar. It would have been better to say nothing.

All I am really trying to say is that if you can give it out you have to be able to take it as well.

Meanwhile back to the topic. My belief is that the XB112S I own which is set up correctly for my weight and is running Avon Azaro tyres is not the best handling bike I have owned. I don't believe that it is particularly flickable and it does stand up under brakes.
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2hogs
Posted on Tuesday, December 13, 2005 - 08:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Doughnut,
Not sure about the 9 getting a 'big-bore' kit, but I have an 88" Twin Cam Harley that responded well to a 95" kit (1450cc to 1550cc). I added a less restrictive intake and exhaust and a new fuel map and she scoots along pretty well for 815lbs of bike. I'll get the heads worked and a hotter 'bolt-in' cam someday.

A good shop could help more, but it maybe possible to get some quality pistons (oversized) that punch it up to 1203cc that are as light as the stockers. Thus keeping the rotating mass similar to stock.
Maybe not an issue if the engine isn't internally counterbalanced as the Twin Cam 88B. But keeping the weight down can't hurt, well within limits.

I'm not an expert, but find a good performance shop, this place has several good ones I hear, and discuss things with them.
Cheers
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Westozzie
Posted on Tuesday, December 13, 2005 - 09:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

2hogs wrote: "What I've just typed are my opinions, and you may see them as confrontational, but most would agree they are not.
Cheers"


2hogs, I certainly don't think your opinions are confrontational. In fact, I think your posts are sober, reasoned and make a lot of sense. If everyone expressed differing opinions in the way that that you do, there would be a lot less arguing on this site.

I admit that some of my posts have been confronational but I think it is fair to say that I have largely been defending myself against either unwarranted personal attacks or reacting to totally absurd comments (eg. "I'm the fastest rider in Oz - even when I ride 2-up", etc.).

Keep up the good work 2hogs.
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Westozzie
Posted on Tuesday, December 13, 2005 - 09:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Back to the XB performance thread:

Recently, I looked at the options for getting a big bore kit for my XB9R but very few people worldwide seemed to have performed this mod and with mixed results. One reported that the bike never really ran right and rear wheel power was no better than a good XB12.

In the end I made the decision to put down the money on a new XB12R. The big bore route would have been a lot more expensive anyway - and with less certain results.

I hear what you're saying though - it would have been good to have the higher redline.
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Blake
Posted on Wednesday, December 14, 2005 - 01:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Buellfool,

One more time. Please take special care to read and understand the following. Your posting privileges here may depend on it.


quote:

the "Criticize Blake" thread is HERE. Have at it, criticize me all you like there, but please cease polluting this and other threads with your personal critiques of my character flaws.


That includes seeking to debate with me my management and maintenance of this discussion board. By definition that sometimes requires confrontation. Deal with it or leave! Blake is simply fed-up, sick and tired of all the whining from a select few antagonists.
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Blake
Posted on Wednesday, December 14, 2005 - 01:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"I admit that some of my posts have been confrontational..."
Should have stopped there. :/

I am really hoping you get the message this time and will finally cease the whining, excusing, and arguing and simply endeavor to enjoy the board and talk Buell. Please. It ain't that tough; it's just a choice. You can do it. : )
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Buellfool
Posted on Wednesday, December 14, 2005 - 02:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I choose to leave. I'm sick of all the kising that goes on here. I have now found a better place to be. One where you can have an opinion http://www.deviltubepodhuckster.info/

The Criticise Blake thread is from what I have seen more kissing, last post 21/10/05 or for americans 10/21/05...

BTW Blake the way you word 90% of your posts is in a patronising know it all tone.
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Westozzie
Posted on Wednesday, December 14, 2005 - 04:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"Someone" has doctored the link in Buellfool's post above. Whoever did that sure has the market cornered on dirty tricks.

To find the ABR site - just do a search for "devil tube huckster".

Hey Blake,
Any chance we can have a "Criticise the non-compliant Aussies and Kiwis" thread? This will help to avoid polluting this and other threads with personal critiques of Aussies and Kiwis character flaws.

"BadWeB has instituted a script that automatically subverts any links to known deviltubepodhuckster sites. Having been repeatedly attacked, lied to, and threatened with lawsuits by the person seeking to promote ABR and his other ventures, we feel perfectly justified in subverting any further attempted promotion of his web sights.

As to the "Criticise Aussies..." thread, anyone if free to create any new thread they wish as long as it conforms to agreed board policy.

Sorry to see that you were unable to reform your behavior and cease the arguing.

Blake - BadWeB Custodian
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Heads
Posted on Wednesday, December 14, 2005 - 04:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

now your talking brother
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M1combat
Posted on Wednesday, December 14, 2005 - 10:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Some people...
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Buellfool
Posted on Wednesday, December 14, 2005 - 02:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Final post.

This is what I am talking about, how childish is it to change somebodies post for them.

FREE SPEECH AT IT'S BEST...

Aussies and Kiwis character flaws can be summed up as independent and free thinking...

(Message edited by Buellfool on December 14, 2005)
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Glitch
Posted on Wednesday, December 14, 2005 - 02:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Final post.
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