| Author | Message | ||
     Darktwin79 |
Nov 13th I attended a trackday with a few other Buellers and supporters of this site BabyHuey and BuellsandBlondes. What a fantastic expierience I had and I can speak for BH also in making that comment. I have no pics now but they are in the works and will soon follow this thread. I would however like to give credit where credit is due on the performance side of things. While keeping the technical babble to a minimum. If you have any doubt in your mind that the Drummer is ONLY a street pipe I assure you it is not. Pogoing the front end in 4th gear and the awesome power slides upon exiting 90 deg. turns are just the tip of the iceberg. My bike is only semi tuned properly and I was riding with an individual with a fully tuned ECM and Micron system. I'm not going to say much more than that,but I will say I'm not impressed with the latter or the comment. We are equally expierenced riders and the difference was astounding to me. Just for giggles I would lug the bike into corners seeing how the low and midrange would come into play and can say that my D&D never pulled me into the top end that fast. That being said once I hit 4000 rpm the front end levitates even with my weight forward. I'm still working on the low end but still had no problem blowing away the competition all the way to redline. I cant wait until its really dialed in. I will have to put some lead in the forks to keep them down! In a 1/4 mile stretch the longest stretch on the track, I had no problem reaching speeds of 115-120mph coming from a corner exit that yeilded speeds of about 30-40mph. Keep in mind that the end of the straght had another 90 deg. left so in reality there was only about 1/8th of a mile to reach those speeds, then heavy braking to make the transition fast and smooth. All in all I was blown away by the top notch performance that the DRUMMER provided me on a day I will soon not forget. Thanks Kevin for the outstanding cust svc and quality product.  By the way BabyHuey switched to a DRUMMER set-up the very next day for personal reasons.  On a final note Kevin has been extremely helpful in helping with the tuning and I will follow up with a review of my trial and errors, once the settings are optimal for street and track. Try getting that kind of service with the big name exhuast companies. Later J (Message edited by darktwin79 on November 15, 2005) | ||
| Jerseyguy |
J - Thanks for the kind words. I always try to be cautious in my efforts to promote Drummers. I really try not to over sell them or to berate the competition. But the damned things just flat out work. I know they do from personal experience on my two Buells and the multitude of positive feedback from our over 200 customers. Kevin really knows what he's doing and his personal service can't be beat. | ||
| Rackman |
I ordered mine even before I read your post. Working with Kevin is a quality experience. He pulls no punches, tells it as it is, and hopefully I will be able to say that he delivers as promised..  | ||
| Drift |
OH, HE DOES... | ||
| M1combat |
 That's what I figured you'd say Jeremy  . | ||
| Darktwin79 |
Don: I like to see things in action before making comments on the product, to give them fair oppurtunity to shine. No hard feelings for past postings. J | ||
| M1combat |
Of course ... None at all . I really didn't mean to bash the Micron before, It just seems very un-likely to me that anyone will beat the power curve of a Drummer. Anyone. They'll get better peak numbers and they'll get better mid to high but I don't think anyone will beat the combination of low/mid/high that Kevin came up with. I am still interested in seeing what my Force "muffler" will do with the stock header and with a Micron header though. Micron says they won't make a header that will work with a normal pipe though so I'll never get the chance. I'd like to see a Micron header and Drummer combo as well. I'll bet if someone sent a full Micron system and some cash to Kevin they'd have something slightly better than the stock header/Drummer combo though. That would be a spendy system though... | ||
| Darktwin79 |
I'm still working on the low end but still had no problem blowing away the competition all the way to redline. When I said this I am mainly talking about everything but other Buells. Once they get into there upper RPM's they start pulling away, not fast though. The Drummer definitley pulled harder in the low RPM's. Then top end I believe was pretty equal. Still pretty astounding to me considering the price difference. BabyHuey is keeping the exhuast he is just expiermenting with the different set ups on how they work with the ECM.} I agree on the combo of the rev ranges being consistent, a very hard combo to beat. If Kevin gets some help I bet he could start tooling around the header pipes. (Message edited by darktwin79 on November 16, 2005) | ||
| Jak |
I've heard a lot of things about the Drummer and all of them good. Since I just purchased my bike with the Race kit/exhaust I won't being doing any changes in that area until quite a while down the road, if ever. My question though is this, what is the difference between the factory race kit and a drummer. Have the two been dyno'd for a comparison? Just a side note: did anyone see the ti-exhaust for the 910 Brutale in the last cycle world? The bike gained 7 horsepower for somewhere around $4k. Incredible! | ||
| Darktwin79 |
Have the two been dyno'd for a comparison? yes they have both been dynoed I have personally seen a race kit do 94 peak hp/ Drummer I've seen 96 peak hp. But peak numbers are just that look at the curves.Do a search for dynos. Later J} | ||
| Chiefiron |
Nice thread. i am ordering my Buell right now and the dealer is telling me that there is not a huge difference, like 3hp, in the new Buell Race kit with exhaust ECU and air cleaner, and the Drummer with the same stuff as well. i had my mind made up to have the drummer put on but now i am rethinking it. the price is only a little more $200 plus the new air cleaner so maybe $250 i think for the drummer set up. HELP!!! i want to make a decision so the bike is ready for me when i get home for vacation next month.  | ||
| Opto |
Chief, If you are getting an XB9 it would be simply crazy not to get the Drummer, if you are getting an XB12 then the original Drummer will certainly not disappoint and sounds at least $250 better than a race pipe, or the new SS Drummer (for XB12) has the max power (really kicks hard and excellent sound) if that's what you want. The Buell race pipe is OK, I feel the Drummer offerings are a much better ride. | ||
| M1combat |
Agreed. Peak HP is only useable for moments if that. Means mostly nothing. What really matters in my opinion is everything below that. If you're racing you only need to be concerned about the upper end (hence the Buell race pipe). If you want a good street pipe and are willing to sacrifice low end power for mid range you have some options. If you want a good street pipe that has more power everywhere you have few options depending on whether the mid or low range is more important to you. I like the low range because I typically try to keep my bike just over 2K while I'm putting around. That means with my Force pipe (which makes EXCELLENT mid range power (3K-4500) I need to shift down twice. With my Drummer I don't NEED to shift down at all, and if I want to I only need to shift down once. At 2500 my drummer beats my Force by about 13HP. That's HUGE at that RPM range. At 4K my Force beats my drummer by about 4 and by 5500 the Drummer is back on top by 3 or 4. I keep switching back and forth between the two. In town I hate the Force but every time I put on the Drummer I miss the WOT top fuel dragster sound that the Force makes... | ||
| Darktwin79 |
i am ordering my Buell right now and the dealer is telling me that there is not a huge difference I would have to say that dealer needs to lay off the glass, and get his a55 on a bike with the mentioned cans. When I get some dynos together you will be able to see what a linear curve should look like. Like Don has mentioned there is a assanation on the low end with a generous beat down on top with the Loud Drummer against the Force and race pipe. With a strong low end it nullifies the mid range becuase of how fast it builds up to the top. By the way I used to be a skeptic on anything Drummer. then I spoke with Kevin and he assured me I would not be disapointed. 1 year later and I still get a big grin while twisting away. Later J | ||
| Rackman |
If you look at the dyno runs with the buell race can and the drummer you can see exactly what darktwin is talking about. There is only a small spike around 4500 RPM that the horsepower on the factory race pipe exceeds the performance of the drummer, then the drummer overtakes the factory pipe again at about 5,300-500, I don't have the log in front of me but I have it at my office, if you want to pm me I will try to find and fax on Friday if you are interested. | ||
| Chiefiron |
Ok thanks guys that settles it. i will stick with the DrummerSS. the sound is just as important to me as the power. i know sounds childish but give me a break im only 36 and coming of of 15 years on custom harleys. Not giving up my Harley by the way just adding a little more fun to the collection. thanks again. i cant wait to ride it next month. | ||
| Opto |
just adding a little more fun to the collection Well you're not wrong there, the XB with DrummerSS will be a wicked little beast Don (M1), the SS goes really hard, I had to add 8% more fuel (with MS) over the standard Drummer to get the same AFR's, feels strong all over, I think it will become the weapon of choice, dyno next Friday. (Message edited by opto on November 18, 2005) | ||
| M1combat |
Nice . I may have to pick one up then. I need chin spoiler mounts though . I can wait for them. | ||
| Darktwin79 |
Ditto on the SS comments definitly my next weapon of choice  . Opto: Where did you find you needed more fuel? My loud Drummer only needs it before 4k After that the race ECM compensates nicely according to preliminary dynos. I'm going to drill and tap my header today so we can get a sniffer right in the collector for a good AFR. I'll keep everybody posted when the data is in. By the way I'm using a TFI again and as far as the a55 dyno feels 3,2,0,7:30 feels real strong. I'm trying to keep fuel off the top end by adjusting pot #4 down and bumping 1&2 up to compensate for the adjustments. Cant wait the the ECM re-flash thing to go through. Later J (Message edited by darktwin79 on November 20, 2005) | ||
| Opto |
J, it needed more fuel all over the whole fuel map, then I took just a little bit out at a couple of points (cruise throttle in the low to mid rpm range). Bike was previously tuned for a standard Drummer. Dyno on Friday which I'm proly not fully ready for but I need to start somewhere, plus it would be nice to get an indication that the MS is actually doing what I think it is - helping make reasonable power through correct fuel delivery. I have O2 bungs in 2 pipes, the wideband O2 sensor is a great tool when tuning, money well spent IMO. Ian. | ||
| Jerseyguy |
M1 - Prototype chin spoiler brackets are in the works for the new SS. I still prefer the look without the spoiler but we want to accommodate our customers. | ||
| M1combat |
Thank you . |
